^ he stole coburn, traded away downie (who was never going to make it as a flyer) for carle, and somehow got tampa to take emminger for meszaros.
Each time, Homer made out like a bandit.
- the deaninator

it was actually downie + eminger for carle and a 2nd round pick for drej if i remember correctly

but your point is still valid

^ he stole coburn, traded away downie (who was never going to make it as a flyer) for carle, and somehow got tampa to take emminger for meszaros.
Each time, Homer made out like a bandit.
- the deaninator

Meszaros was obtained for a 2nd round pick. Eminger went with Downie in the Carle deal.

Edit: Leight

and the flyers future on d is what? as shero said last night "you can never have enuf d". add to that d prospects have greater value once they're considered nhl ready.

re C, C, & M we did fairly well...esp coburn, but since dmen are at a premium, most teams end up overpaying like COL did for Johnson, DAL did for gogo and we did for pronger...and likely we will this yr.
- isaiah520

The Flyers future on D is Grossmann, Coburn, Meszaros, and possibly Carle or another player they trade for or draft today. As I said earlier. The 2nd round and later rounds is today.

I doubt it. They took who they wanted to pick. And the obviously had reasons for making that choice.
- MJL

well, the kid wont be ready for 2-3 yrs so the pressure won't be there from this fan base just yet...

it was actually downie + eminger for carle and a 2nd round pick for drej if i remember correctly

but your point is still valid
- FlyerMike18

ah youre right,
still, he did pretty well and didn't overpay for any of them.

and the flyers future on d is what? as shero said last night "you can never have enuf d". add to that d prospects have greater value once they're considered nhl ready.

re C, C, & M we did fairly well...esp coburn, but since dmen are at a premium, most teams end up overpaying like COL did for Johnson, DAL did for gogo and we did for pronger...and likely we will this yr.
- isaiah520

and drafting olli maata last night would have done nothing to change that

nhl draft (when players are years away from actually making the big club in most instances), it doesn't make a lot of sense to draft by need. who knows what your team will look like by the time those players are ready?

and drafting olli maata last night would have done nothing to change that

nhl draft (when players are years away from actually making the big club in most instances), it doesn't make a lot of sense to draft by need. who knows what your team will look like by the time those players are ready?
- FlyerMike18

Exactly Mike.

ah youre right,
still, he did pretty well and didn't overpay for any of them.
- the deaninator

yea, i wouldn't complain about any of those trades. the coburn one was a flat out steal

The Flyers future on D is Grossmann, Coburn, Meszaros, and possibly Carle or another player they trade for or draft today. As I said earlier. The 2nd round and later rounds is today.
- MJL

we'll see, but the continued dearth in d prospects will eventually cost the team and there is no doubt that they will pay a steep price for a top pairing guy... dmen are the most highly coveted position in the game and negative leverage there is not a good situation.

Meszaros was obtained for a 2nd round pick. Eminger went with Downie in the Carle deal.

Edit: Leight
- MJL

it's "laught" now

it was actually downie + eminger for carle and a 2nd round pick for drej if i remember correctly

but your point is still valid
- FlyerMike18

Yeah but to get eminger they gave up a number 1 pick that turned out to be John Carlson, who they also really liked as well.

yea, i wouldn't complain about any of those trades. the coburn one was a flat out steal
- FlyerMike18

turning freddy meyer into coburn

lol

and drafting olli maata last night would have done nothing to change that

nhl draft (when players are years away from actually making the big club in most instances), it doesn't make a lot of sense to draft by need. who knows what your team will look like by the time those players are ready?
- FlyerMike18

if its close, need has to be considered if the other position is as stocked as we are up front.

and let us not forget the 2nd rnd picks we've had to lose out of desperation for help along with the eminger throwaway. fact is, the flyers have been flailing away for quite some time trying to develop org depth on d and once a guy looks like he could be an NHLer, he has a higher value than a comparable forward prospect. the flyers need to make a change somewhere here.

Yeah but to get eminger they gave up a number 1 pick that turned out to be John Carlson, who they also really liked as well.
- TheGreat28

two separate deals though. the eminger deal was definitely a bad one, didn't make a ton of sense at the time either

yea, i wouldn't complain about any of those trades. the coburn one was a flat out steal
- FlyerMike18

not saying they weren't, but we gave up a lot for a guy like pronger on the back side of his career and are now trapped in an over-35 cap bind. always having to trade for dmen is not a desirable position to be in. it has to stop at some point by developing your own.

if its close, need has to be considered if the other position is as stocked as we are up front.

and let us not forget the 2nd rnd picks we've had to lose out of desperation for help along with the eminger throwaway. fact is, the flyers have been flailing away for quite some time trying to develop org depth on d and once a guy looks like he could be an NHLer, he has a higher value than a comparable forward prospect. the flyers need to make a change somewhere here.
- isaiah520

obviously i'd like to see them develop d men better, but i disagree that they should start forcing draft picks in order to get there. i think homer is pretty damn good at drafting talent, i trust him to make the right pick. i'd rather get a good forward then a questionable d man (because we need d men prospects)

two separate deals though. the eminger deal was definitely a bad one, didn't make a ton of sense at the time either
- FlyerMike18

and the eminger move was deemed necessary...why? because this team has done a poor job of developing dmen for too long. that's my main point.

not saying they weren't, but we gave up a lot for a guy like pronger on the back side of his career and are now trapped in an over-35 cap bind. always having to trade for dmen is not a desirable position to be in. it has to stop at some point by developing your own.
- isaiah520

i hear ya, i'd like to see that as well

i just don't know if that means homer should pass up on the player he wants to draft a d man. who knows what the scouts think of maata? or maybe the flyers scouts thought that the d men still on the board today were just as good as those guys... who knows. i'm just saying, i'm not gonna slam homer for neglecting to reach for a dman with one particular pick

we'll see, but the continued dearth in d prospects will eventually cost the team and there is no doubt that they will pay a steep price for a top pairing guy... dmen are the most highly coveted position in the game and negative leverage there is not a good situation.
- isaiah520

Your posting as if that can't change. That they don't have any more draft picks, or there is never going to be another draft, or that there isn't any other ways to add quality D prospects. What is negative leverage?

turning freddy meyer into coburn

lol
- Don'tForgetTocchet

freddie meyer was a beast, however

if its close, need has to be considered if the other position is as stocked as we are up front.

and let us not forget the 2nd rnd picks we've had to lose out of desperation for help along with the eminger throwaway. fact is, the flyers have been flailing away for quite some time trying to develop org depth on d and once a guy looks like he could be an NHLer, he has a higher value than a comparable forward prospect. the flyers need to make a change somewhere here.
- isaiah520

Did the Flyers feel it was close?

i'm so mad i can't watch


nm i see nhl.com is showing it

obviously i'd like to see them develop d men better, but i disagree that they should start forcing draft picks in order to get there. i think homer is pretty damn good at drafting talent, i trust him to make the right pick. i'd rather get a good forward then a questionable d man (because we need d men prospects)
- FlyerMike18

no one said anything about forcing. maata and a few others including some of the goalies, would not have been a force.

freddie meyer was a beast, however
- FlyerMike18

we called him flufflemeyer here at home.

Your posting as if that can't change. That they don't have any more draft picks, or there is never going to be another draft, or that there isn't any other ways to add quality D prospects. What is negative leverage?
- MJL

I wouldn't be surprised that if it's close they default to the forward because of their track record and negative leverage is when the other teams have the upper hand in negotiations because you are dealing from a position of weakness.