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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:25 PM ET
Id be fine with that. They could enter the Guastad race. Perhaps him and Prust.

I like Dom Moore, but if you can get Gaustad you do that.

- aosplayo


I like Gaustad just cant justify spending that kind of money on a 4th line center. I also think he goes to a team that will use him more than the Flyers would.
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:30 PM ET
Question is where are you going to play Gaustad?
- MJL




I know, we have a buttload of centers. Perhaps they will play him in the position they had in mind when they toyed with the idea of trading for him at the deadline last year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:33 PM ET
I know, we have a buttload of centers. Perhaps they will play him in the position they had in mind when they toyed with the idea of trading for him at the deadline last year.
- aosplayo



The problem is with Gaustad is that he made 2.25M last year. So he's going to want a decent payday. And I don't see him signing somewhere to play on the 4th line. But depending on the cost, I'd like him on the 3rd line.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:38 PM ET
so based on my math after the flyers re-sign voracek, carle and a back up goalie they will have 1.46mm to spend even if they go 10% over, so umm can they sign anyone with that of any value?
aosplayo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 01.14.2008

Jun 28 @ 8:38 PM ET
The problem is with Gaustad is that he made 2.25M last year. So he's going to want a decent payday. And I don't see him signing somewhere to play on the 4th line. But depending on the cost, I'd like him on the 3rd line.
- MJL




Yea, and like either you or someone else just mentioned he may be a bigger part of the plans for another team out there other than a 3rd line center, though hed be perfect, just maybe not for the money that he may end up getting. The Wideman contract has to have gotten FAs even more excited.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:39 PM ET
so based on my math after the flyers re-sign voracek, carle and a back up goalie they will have 1.46mm to spend even if they go 10% over, so umm can they sign anyone with that of any value?
- flyerscup2011


Carle may not be back.
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:40 PM ET
Carle may not be back.
- stveshdy


(frank) beans!

when did that news come about? is it cuz of all the other ufa d-men being snatched up?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:43 PM ET
so based on my math after the flyers re-sign voracek, carle and a back up goalie they will have 1.46mm to spend even if they go 10% over, so umm can they sign anyone with that of any value?
- flyerscup2011


Not enough info given to answer.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:45 PM ET
(frank) beans!

when did that news come about? is it cuz of all the other ufa d-men being snatched up?

- flyerscup2011


It was reported that he will test UFA market.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:49 PM ET
Not enough info given to answer.
- MJL

Matty Carle or Kim Johnsson in his prime
(pretty comparable point totals, matty with one more year hovering around the 40pt mark than kimmy tho)


gun to your head
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:52 PM ET
Matty Carle or Kim Johnsson in his prime
(pretty comparable point totals, matty with one more year hovering around the 40pt mark than kimmy tho)


gun to your head

- Crimsoninja


Carle. Johnsson had concussion issues. Pretty comparable players. Clones. I really like Johnsson as a player.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:54 PM ET
Carle. Johnsson had concussion issues. Pretty comparable players. Clones. I really like Johnsson as a player.
- MJL

gotcha

and ya never thought to compare them, but their styles struck me as similar just now
flyerscup2011
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Future lottery winner
Joined: 06.21.2010

Jun 28 @ 8:54 PM ET
It was reported that he will test UFA market.
- stveshdy


bye bye matt, we won't be able to afford you

actually afford has nothing to do with it, more like fit you under our cap
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:55 PM ET
gotcha

and ya never thought to compare them, but their styles struck me as similar just now

- Crimsoninja


It's very difficult to choose between the two. Johnsson was a better goal scorer. Flip a coin, if I lose, I'd be happy with 2nd choice.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 28 @ 8:56 PM ET
bye bye matt, we won't be able to afford you

actually afford has nothing to do with it, more like fit you under our cap

- flyerscup2011


They have plenty of Cap space to fit Carle under the Cap.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 9:09 PM ET
Bill said earlier in the thread Nittymaki is likely to miss the season due to hip surgery I believe. I don't want any of these ex-Flyers retreads.
- PLindbergh31

thank you

looks like Sunday we'll see what "brown can do for you" from homer...if you get my drift
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:15 PM ET
Dogs and cats, living together, mass hysteria.


Hes been pretty good calling things lately actually.....

- aosplayo

Well if he's right that would probably go down tonight or early tomorrow. Don't know if Anaheim would trade for his rights and have 1 day to negotiate with him.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:15 PM ET
Dogs and cats, living together, mass hysteria.


Hes been pretty good calling things lately actually.....

- aosplayo

Well if he's right that would probably go down tonight or early tomorrow. Don't know if Anaheim would trade for his rights and have 1 day to negotiate with him.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jun 28 @ 9:15 PM ET
Matty Carle or Kim Johnsson in his prime
(pretty comparable point totals, matty with one more year hovering around the 40pt mark than kimmy tho)


gun to your head

- Crimsoninja

carle cause he blocks a ton of shots...not sure about johnsson there.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:16 PM ET
Remember how we said legitimate source? Who the hell is Manayunk Mike and why should we think he knows anything more than griouxmvp what is going on?
- bodiva88

Had Flyers out on Schultz today before Dreger. Just sayin'
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 28 @ 9:17 PM ET
Garrison played with a highly skilled guy (at least on the PP) named Brian Campbell. That helped his offensive numbers a lot. He probably will have a dip this year, but he would be a decent option if they can't re sign Carle, of course depending on the cap hit.

Someone already said it but I'd never thought I'd see the day where there was so much gnashing of the teeth over whipping boy Carle leaving.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Jun 28 @ 9:18 PM ET
Sign Voracek for $3. Jagr or comparable Winger for $3. Suter for $7.5. Find backup goalie for 800K and Trade Meszaros for the most picks you can get. What kind of picks could you get for Meszaros a 1 and 4? I think B. Schenn and Wellwood will really contribut more this season. You'll have about $4.9 million between pronger LTIR and the 500k-1Mg cap space for a move at the deadline and extra picks to get a better chip.

Feasible?

Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 28 @ 9:20 PM ET
I have a hard time seeing Anaheim taking the right's to Carle in the deal.
- MJL

Agree... and have a hard time seeing Carle signing there.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jun 28 @ 9:21 PM ET
LeBrun wrote on TSN that he believes both Carle and Garrison are looking for $5M deals.

"Once you get beyond Ryan Suter and Justin Schultz, who are the most sought-after unrestricted free agent defencemen?

Pierre LeBrun: Matt Carle and Jason Garrison, in that order. Carle has flown under the radar because people in Philadelphia keep expecting he's going to re-sign. The dialogue continues with the Flyers but I think he's going to market. I think he's trying to command $5 million a year and he might get it on the open market. I think it's the same thing for Garrison, with $5 million being a key figure for him. He's not close to re-signing with the Florida Panthers, who could also trade his rights before July 1 if they can't get a deal done."
BaldRich
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Kutztown, PA
Joined: 12.16.2011

Jun 28 @ 9:22 PM ET
Waived from Florida Mike Santorelli?????
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