Bill don't know if this has been discussed yet, but where are the Flyers at currently with contracts? I know they have been at the max last season or two...
- Buzzo

They're OK. Currently at 47 (45 with two slide-rule contracts in Cousins and Mathers).

They would like Biron if he doesn't re-sign with Rangers. In terms of which goalie I'd prefer, I'd be OK with Biron, Dan Ellis or Chris Mason at steep discounts, or any other goalie of similar caliber who was a starter at some point in the past but is now a clear-cut #2.
- bmeltzer

Thank You very much for the response Bill.

Buckner is a borderline hall of famer, who happened to make a terrible error on the biggest stage, when he was at the end of his career. Leighton is a career minor leaguer for the most part, I don't think the players are in anyway comparable. IMO of course.
- PLindbergh31

they both let squibbers through to kill their teams

There is no such thing as having too many defenseman.
- MJL

i agree but why would we resign burdon for him to sit in the pressbox we cant send him to the minors

cause he signed a one year deal last year. PS this is a board for mostly opinions any way.
- Philly1980

Opinions are one thing, but making up numbers and reasons for why something happened to help prove your point is another.

not a surprise but:

@DarrenDreger: Justin Schultz lottery is fascinating, considering teams IN and teams OUT. Told Flyers are in the "OUT" line.

he added:

teams in on Schultz: Vancouver, Edmonton, Rangers, Toronto and Ottawa

New material is so hard to come by in the off season.
- tangent_man

Good point!

I don't see any complaining in my post. Simply stating my opinion.

Complaining about people who complain is an interesting concept.
- PLindbergh31

That's an interesting way to justify it

Opinions are one thing, but making up numbers and reasons for why something happened to help prove your point is another.
- funmaster18

can you imagine if people agreed with eachother?

not a surprise but:

@DarrenDreger: Justin Schultz lottery is fascinating, considering teams IN and teams OUT. Told Flyers are in the "OUT" line.
- nastyflyergirl

The way Flyers trade away guys who are at the beginning of long term deals is going to make potential UFA's think twice about signing in Philadelphia.

They would like Biron if he doesn't re-sign with Rangers. In terms of which goalie I'd prefer, I'd be OK with Biron, Dan Ellis or Chris Mason at steep discounts, or any other goalie of similar caliber who was a starter at some point in the past but is now a clear-cut #2.
- bmeltzer

Do you think Clemmensen will command a larger than 1 mil salary? I wouldn't mind seeing him as a backup

i agree but why would we resign burdon for him to sit in the pressbox we cant send him to the minors
- griouxmvp2012

Because he is a valuable asset that they can possibly use in a deal, or to actually make the team. And because maybe there will be a deal involving one of the defenseman. Should they just walk away from Bourdon?

not a surprise but:

@DarrenDreger: Justin Schultz lottery is fascinating, considering teams IN and teams OUT. Told Flyers are in the "OUT" line.
- nastyflyergirl

I wonder if he's out bc it's his decision or the flyers? That could mean Carle will be resigned, thinking positive here.

can you imagine if people agreed with eachother?
- vejim

It's not about agreeing or disagreeing, it's about forming opinions with what's available. I just don't like seeing people saying they don't like a player an blame it in ten wanting too much money or too many years when we have no idea if that's the case. There's nothing wrong with wanting to trade any player, but base it off of the facts.

He would still have agree to it first . Even if the Flyers let Carle and Jagr walk, re-sign Voracek ($3.0 M estimate), re-sign Bourdon ($900K estimate) and a backup goalie ($800,000), plan to waive Shelley ($1.1M) and can find a taker for Lilja ($737,500, over-35 contract) via minor trade, they will have $7.914M of cap space.

Sign Parise at $7.9 M and there's a mere $140,000 of cap space plus Pronger's LTIR to get through the entire season. And that's with carrying the absolute minimum (6 D, 12 forward) number of skaters.

It isn't realistic.
- bmeltzer

but once they start season, they get Pronger's relief right?

not a surprise but:

@DarrenDreger: Justin Schultz lottery is fascinating, considering teams IN and teams OUT. Told Flyers are in the "OUT" line.
- nastyflyergirl

Good offensive D prospect but so ridiculously overhyped at this point that it's ridiculous. I have said this before: It hurts Anaheim a bit to lose his rights but not as much as some think. They already have a player with virtually the same upside -- Sami Vatanen -- coming over to North America for next season.

If I were Holmgren, the only way I would do a Bobby Ryan trade where I send both a current starting forward and a starting D and a first-round pick is if Vatanen is also coming the other way. Basically a righthanded Kimmo Timonen in training -- very undersized, but skills, moxie and work ethic make up for it.

Because he is a valuable asset that they can possibly use in a deal, or to actually make the team. And because maybe there will be a deal involving one of the defenseman. Should they just walk away from Bourdon?
- MJL

no thats why i said i think mez will get dealt in a deal for ryan?? we have to many d and too much money spent on the d

not a surprise but:

@DarrenDreger: Justin Schultz lottery is fascinating, considering teams IN and teams OUT. Told Flyers are in the "OUT" line.

he added:

teams in on Schultz: Vancouver, Edmonton, Rangers, Toronto and Ottawa
- nastyflyergirl

so its not an east coast thing

The way Flyers trade away guys who are at the beginning of long term deals is going to make potential UFA's think twice about signing in Philadelphia.
- PLindbergh31

From what was reported he wants an assurance he will be on an NHL roster....probably wants a one way deal ala Read. Perhaps the Flyers aren't willing to give him that. I mean, with the depth this team has on defense I guess not.

He would still have agree to it first . Even if the Flyers let Carle and Jagr walk, re-sign Voracek ($3.0 M estimate), re-sign Bourdon ($900K estimate) and a backup goalie ($800,000), plan to waive Shelley ($1.1M) and can find a taker for Lilja ($737,500, over-35 contract) via minor trade, they will have $7.914M of cap space.

Sign Parise at $7.9 M and there's a mere $140,000 of cap space plus Pronger's LTIR to get through the entire season. And that's with carrying the absolute minimum (6 D, 12 forward) number of skaters.

It isn't realistic.
- bmeltzer

I think we've seen Holmgren get crazier tho. I'm not advocating this however. Our d would be worse than last year

From what was reported he wants an assurance he will be on an NHL roster....probably wants a one way deal ala Read. Perhaps the Flyers aren't willing to give him that. I mean, with the depth this team has on defense I guess not.
- nastyflyergirl

I don't mean Schultz, I just mean in general. After the deal Wideman got yesterday if Carle is willing to sign for less than 5 million per, that would be a very good deal.

but once they start season, they get Pronger's relief right?
- flyersfan51

Yes, but it would only add up between avail cap space and the allowance to the equivalent of $4.9 million. Since the team would be carrying the minimum number of players, it's really not advisable to operate that way.

Good offensive D prospect but so ridiculously overhyped at this point that it's ridiculous. I have said this before: It hurts Anaheim a bit to lose his rights but not as much as some think. They already have a player with virtually the same upside -- Sami Vatanen -- coming over to North America for next season.

If I were Holmgren, the only way I would do a Bobby Ryan trade where I send both a current starting forward and a starting D and a first-round pick is if Vatanen is also coming the other way. Basically a righthanded Kimmo Timonen in training -- very undersized, but skills, moxie and work ethic make up for it.
- bmeltzer

Bill, you would be a good GM

Flyers out of Schultz sweepstakes.

Sorry if Leight.

I wonder if he's out bc it's his decision or the flyers? That could mean Carle will be resigned, thinking positive here.
- stveshdy

If Carle signs at 5.5 a year, you'll be happy with that??