Giroux is around his age and is not invisible....for a guy his size and supposed talent level he doesnt play it.

With work ethic i mean that

1. He is not willing to take the pain and go to the net as most guys his size should.

2. Not physical enough.

3. Most games he is invisible.

4. Good forbid he breaks a nail while trying to get garbage goals.

Not:

1. He doesnt train in the offseason

2. He doesnt practice hard.
- Philly1980

You are looking at two totally different type of players.. JvR is a guy who has had size his entire career.. NHL is a different beast and bigger players need to adjust..

I couldnt disagree more with 1,2,4. JvR is constantly around the net, bumping and crashing around the crease. In the Jersey series he was the center part of about 5-8 scrums because of his net presence. Two goals in that series were scored directly because of his net presence, and one (which should have counted) was waived off.

Don't need him to get the garbage goals. That's Hartsy's job. He'd easily score 35-40 goals in an offensive system like he did before they started to play a more defensive style in Washington. He could hit 45 with Giroux if he can stay healthy.
- NickTheKid87

If he played like he played in the Boston series than yeah. I just dont see him being that hungry all the time. Anyway he should have his chances now in toronto.

I just dont like the fact that people are already saying toronto has won the trade without the season starting. Come back to me when both of these player are 27 then well see who won the trade.

You are looking at two totally different type of players.. JvR is a guy who has had size his entire career.. NHL is a different beast and bigger players need to adjust..

I couldnt disagree more with 1,2,4. JvR is constantly around the net, bumping and crashing around the crease. In the Jersey series he was the center part of about 5-8 scrums because of his net presence. Two goals in that series were scored directly because of his net presence, and one (which should have counted) was waived off.
- jak521

JvR has talent theres no questioning that but so does Schenn. The development for a defenseman takes longer in the NHL. I personally value defenseman higher b/c its hard to find them. Forwards seem to be a dime a dozen in the NHL.

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- bradleyc4

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- Don'tForgetTocchet

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- bradleyc4

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You are looking at two totally different type of players.. JvR is a guy who has had size his entire career.. NHL is a different beast and bigger players need to adjust..

I couldnt disagree more with 1,2,4. JvR is constantly around the net, bumping and crashing around the crease. In the Jersey series he was the center part of about 5-8 scrums because of his net presence. Two goals in that series were scored directly because of his net presence, and one (which should have counted) was waived off.
- jak521

I love how people use only a few games to dispute anything critical that is said of JVR. what about the hundred other games when he doesnt do crap. Or the season before when he was clarkes personal popcorn boy....

If he played like he played in the Boston series than yeah. I just dont see him being that hungry all the time. Anyway he should have his chances now in toronto.

I just dont like the fact that people are already saying toronto has won the trade without the season starting. Come back to me when both of these player are 27 then well see who won the trade.
- Philly1980

Oh man I thought you were talking about Semin lol. But as far as JVR goes, that Boston series he was possessed. I think it's unrealistic to think any player aside from the absolute best can sustain that type of play over the course of a season let alone a career but if he can do that for stretches and in between be serviceable or better than good for him. Can't call winners or losers on trades without a sample size.

JvR has talent theres no questioning that but so does Schenn. The development for a defenseman takes longer in the NHL. I personally value defenseman higher b/c its hard to find them. Forwards seem to be a dime a dozen in the NHL.
- stveshdy

Normal for a young kid early in his career.

Couldnt disagree more about his work ethic.
- jak521

I think the work ethic is there, but he has not the heart to go to the hard areas of the ice. Not the kind of player that will go to the wall, or through the wall to win. Youth not a factor on these points, you either have it or not - can't teach it.

All teams need a 55-60 point finesse perimeter player. But the 2nd overall pick for that is a major disappointment, and 4+ million is grossly overpaying.

Oh man I thought you were talking about Semin lol. But as far as JVR goes, that Boston series he was possessed. I think it's unrealistic to think any player aside from the absolute best can sustain that type of play over the course of a season let alone a career but if he can do that for stretches and in between be serviceable or better than good for him. Can't call winners or losers on trades without a sample size.
- NickTheKid87

Oh no... wouldn't mind them signing semin to 2-3 yr contract. It costs them nothing. I just dont understand the bashing his stats tell another story than what the media is spewing out there about him.

I think the work ethic is there, but he has not the heart to go to the hard areas of the ice. Not the kind of player that will go to the wall, or through the wall to win. Youth not a factor on these points, you either have it or not - can't teach it.

All teams need a 55-60 point finesse perimeter player. But the 2nd overall pick for that is a major disappointment, and 4+ million is grossly overpaying.
- LW2530

I believe need to factor in the depth of the draft when pointing out when a player was selected. 2007 was one of the weakest in recent history. Only 3 All-stars (Kane, Couture, Benn).

Oh no... wouldn't mind them signing semin to 2-3 yr contract. It costs them nothing. I just dont understand the bashing his stats tell another story than what the media is spewing out there about him.
- Philly1980

408 points in 469 games says enough to me.

408 points in 469 games says enough to me.
- NickTheKid87

Semin is holding out for a long-term contract but at some point hes going to have to consider signing a two to three year deal.

Semin is holding out for a long-term contract but at some point hes going to have to consider signing a two to three year deal.
- stveshdy

Long term is a risk but a 2-3 yr deal would be good.

I think a lot has to do with the environment, locker room setting, and coaching. In Washington the players pretty much did whatever they wanted until Hunter took over. Semin is going to have bad nights that happens to most players but if hes playing hard I dont think people will get on him.

He makes the most sense to me after Doan (which I think is a 5% chance he comes here) to go after Semin.
- stveshdy

Id almost prefer Semin to Doan.. I love Doan, but at 35 and what he is gonna get its gonna be crazy.

Semin seems like he is just kinda floatin around.. i could see 30+ goals, and 40 assists on a line with G and Hartsy.

If it were based off of pure skill.. he was right there with Parise... even his point totals are a bit higher than Parise's

Semin is holding out for a long-term contract but at some point hes going to have to consider signing a two to three year deal.
- stveshdy

Or he'll just head over to the KHL which would be a shame because he is such a talented player. Same goes for Radulov. He has the talent to be a great NHL player too. Bummer.

I love how people use only a few games to dispute anything critical that is said of JVR. what about the hundred other games when he doesnt do crap. Or the season before when he was clarkes personal popcorn boy....
- Philly1980

Uh, which season are you talking about? The 2009-10 campaign in which he played 78 regular season games, or the 2010-11 in which he played 75? He was scratched a couple times due to ineffectiveness, but to imply he'd seen Shelley-esque scratch time is silly.

Uh, which season are you talking about? The 2009-10 campaign in which he played 78 regular season games, or the 2010-11 in which he played 75? He was scratched a couple times due to ineffectiveness, but to imply he'd seen Shelley-esque scratch time is silly.
- BulliesPhan87

Whether or not Semin would be good on a line with Giroux, doesn't it make more sense to accept there is a less than 1% chance of this happening?

Or he'll just head over to the KHL which would be a shame because he is such a talented player. Same goes for Radulov. He has the talent to be a great NHL player too. Bummer.
- NickTheKid87

Possbile but Semin seems to have serious interest in signing with a club in the NHL. If he wanted to go to the KHL he would but it seems he wants to stay.

Whether or not Semin would be good on a line with Giroux, doesn't it make more sense to accept there is a less than 1% chance of this happening?
- Daman

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post, but I think Semin bolts the the KHL this summer.

Whether or not Semin would be good on a line with Giroux, doesn't it make more sense to accept there is a less than 1% chance of this happening?
- Daman

I wouldn't say that. I doubt Homer wants to pay the high price for Ryan or Nash so unless Anaheim and Columbus will come down and Doan stays out west, it is not outlandish to think Homer will target Semin.

I beg to differ. He was pushed to play bigger minutes a few years back, but was avg only about 16 minutes a night last year for one of the worst teams in the EC. Bill put out a good break down of JvR second half through first half of this season. 78 games, 27 goals, 26 assists (something like that).. Thats a pretty solid top young top 6 forward. He battled injuries last year, but he was only a pretty routine curve for a bigger forward.
- jak521

Whether he was pushed or not is irrelevant. Fact is that Schenn has played a top 4 role in the NHL and played well doing it. Speaking of routine curves for young players, ups and downs are common for young players, especially defenseman. I like JVR, But in terms of potential, they are pretty even as players. I'd give the edge to JVR, but it's not a big difference.

Alexander Semin might be seeking significantly more money than the market is willing to give him.He probably wouldn't have much trouble finding a home if he were willing to sign a one-year "show me" contract, but it looks like we're not at that point yet. Semin is coming off a disappointing season where he scored 21 goals and 54 points, but he does have the potential to put up numbers worthy of a superstar. That being said, there's been quite a lot of criticism of him and teams might see him as too much of a risk to sign to a long-term deal at this time. Jul 7 - 5:52 PM
Source: Denver Post

Whether he was pushed or not is irrelevant. Fact is that Schenn has played a top 4 role in the NHL and played well doing it. Speaking of routine curves for young players, ups and downs are common for young players, especially defenseman. I like JVR, But in terms of potential, they are pretty even as players. I'd give the edge to JVR, but it's not a big difference.
- MJL

BTW - does MJL stand for anything signifcant? Is there a Star Wars reference?