Paul Stewart: Accountability, Acceptability and Reputation Penalties

Paul,

I've been following each of your blog articles and I just want to pass along to you how much I've enjoyed them. Your perspective as a former player and referee is really a "must read" on this site.

Thank you so much for your time and effort in sharing your experiences and please keep the articles coming!

Another excellent and insightful blog, Stewy, especially with regard to the element of reputation when it comes to making a judgement as whether to make a call or let it go. I especially liked the examples you gave of Dino Ciccarelli and Dave Brown and how Brownie they was able to eventually "rehabilitate" his reputation after the Sandstrom hit. (While the hit on Sandstrom was clearly deserving of suplementary discipline, the recipient was himself a player who often engaged in sharp tactics on the ice,) Brownie is now the highly respected veteran head of pro scouting for the Flyers who I saw as recently as last night. A tough but honest hockey player who had a difficult job to do and did it well and withing "the code", fought hard but fair, and who respected the game, its players, and officials.



The Oct. 26, 1987 Dave Brown cross check on Tomas Sandstrom at MSG

Interesting blog in light of Zach Rinaldo getting a ten minute misconduct on a "reputation call" during last nights Flyers/Sabres game.

Ive always felt that a ref making a call like that (IE a reputation call) is akin to a ref "diving". They are saying something happened that wasn't there in an attempt to make make the game easier for them.

Another excellent and insightful blog, Stewy, especially with regard to the element of reputation when it comes to making a judgement as whether to make a call or let it go. I especially liked the examples you gave of Dino Ciccarelli and Dave Brown and how Brownie they was able to eventually "rehabilitate" his reputation after the Sandstrom hit. (While the hit on Sandstrom was clearly deserving of suplementary discipline, the recipient was himself a player who often engaged in sharp tactics on the ice,) Brownie is now the highly respected veteran head of pro scouting for the Flyers who I saw as recently as last night. A tough but honest hockey player who had a difficult job to do and did it well and withing "the code", fought hard but fair, and who respected the game, its players, and officials.



The Oct. 26, 1987 Dave Brown cross check on Tomas Sandstrom at MSG
- iScoop

My favorite part is the commentary of Taylor and Hart.......LOL

Was Dino the player you trusted the least? Or was there another player who you were never comfortable with when he was on the ice?

Was Dino the player you trusted the least? Or was there another player who you were never comfortable with when he was on the ice?
- greekdude4567

There were others. Here's your weekend cliffhanger... stay tuned for Monday's blog about dealing with such players

There were others. Here's your weekend cliffhanger... stay tuned for Monday's blog about dealing with such players
- Paul Stewart

I will look forward to Monday then! Thanks for the response

Interesting blog in light of Zach Rinaldo getting a ten minute misconduct on a "reputation call" during last nights Flyers/Sabres game.

Ive always felt that a ref making a call like that (IE a reputation call) is akin to a ref "diving". They are saying something happened that wasn't there in an attempt to make make the game easier for them.
- MBFlyerfan

It seems to me that Rinaldo and the Flyers were actually cut a break on the call when the ref elected to give him a ten minute misconduct penalty under Rule 75.4(iii) for approaching and attempting to incite the Sabres' bench after Buffalo's Ville Leino and the Flyers' Jay Rosehill had already been sent off for concurrent minors when he could have just as easily given him a two-minute minor for Unportsmanlike Conduct under Rule 75.2(i) which would have resulted in a power-play for Buffalo. At the time the penalty was called the Flyers were only leading the game 2-1 in the third -- a period that has been their bête noire all season -- and the Sabres had already scored on an earlier power play. As a fourth line player Rinaldo only played 6:21 in the game in nine shifts so his sitting in the penalty box for ten minutes without forcing the Flyers to kill a third period penalty in a one goal game was both a break for the Flyers and the correct call for what Rinaldo had actually done.

ott should have been sent off for his actions with simmonds and goading the flyers after the initial calls were made. if rinaldo gets 10 ott should have been given 10.

It seems to me that Rinaldo and the Flyers were actually cut a break on the call when the ref elected to give him a ten minute misconduct penalty under Rule 75.4(iii) for approaching and attempting to incite the Sabres' bench after Buffalo's Ville Leino and the Flyers' Jay Rosehill had already been sent off for concurrent minors when he could have just as easily given him a two-minute minor for Unportsmanlike Conduct under Rule 75.2(i) which would have resulted in a power-play for Buffalo. At the time the penalty was called the Flyers were only leading the game 2-1 in the third -- a period that has been their bête noire all season -- and the Sabres had already scored on an earlier power play. As a fourth line player Rinaldo only played 6:21 in the game in nine shifts so his sitting in the penalty box for ten minutes without forcing the Flyers to kill a third period penalty in a one goal game was both a break for the Flyers and the correct call for what Rinaldo had actually done.
- iScoop