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Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 2:33 PM ET
Michael Pachla: Building the 2015-16 Buffalo Sabres roster--D, Cody Franson
JVR_42_PK81
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 19 @ 3:19 PM ET
Cody Franson
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
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Sep 19 @ 3:25 PM ET
Cody Franson
- JVR_42_PK81

nice, in-depth commentary
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Sep 19 @ 3:26 PM ET
Cody Franson
- JVR_42_PK81


Dion Phaneuf

Franson out produced him while making substantially less and both are pylons so hey laugh all you want.

In 55 games with the Leafs last year Franson had 32 points, in 70 games for the Leafs last year Phaneuf had 29 points...

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Sep 19 @ 3:46 PM ET
Dion Phaneuf

Franson out produced him while making substantially less and both are pylons so hey laugh all you want.

In 55 games with the Leafs last year Franson had 32 points, in 70 games for the Leafs last year Phaneuf had 29 points...

- Stripes77

Phaneuf is still the better player.
MattFreaknEllis
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.30.2015

Sep 19 @ 3:48 PM ET
Dion Phaneuf:

Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 4:13 PM ET
Phaneuf is still the better player.
- sbroads24


Oh I know but value wise to contract I think not
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 4:13 PM ET
Oh I know but value wise to contract I think not
- Stripes77

Agreed. I think in general Phaneuf is pretty good, just no where near 7 mil good
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Sep 19 @ 4:13 PM ET
Oh I know but value wise to contract I think not
- Stripes77

Agreed. I think in general Phaneuf is pretty good, just no where near 7 mil good
Sabresfan-365
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Lockport, NY
Joined: 12.09.2012

Sep 19 @ 4:15 PM ET

Klefbom 7 years at 4+. Buying in early could payoff huge for the oilers. I think BUF should do the same with Risto.
Stripes77
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Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 4:16 PM ET
Dion Phaneuf:


- MattFreaknEllis


MattFreaknEllis
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 4:26 PM ET
Phaneuf is still the better player.
- sbroads24



I would argue differently. Franson has about the same points per 60 numbers, yet doesn't have the poop possession numbers of Phaneuf.

edit: I would post the pics to prove it, but imgur isn't working at the moment

edit2: Dion Phaneuf posted a corsi per 60 minutes relative to his teammates (meaning the differential between Dion's on ice corsi value and the corsi value of his teammates while not playing with him) of -2.7. Franson's corsi%RelTM is +1.8. Franson improves the possession statistics of his line mates while Phaneuf makes it worse.

Now Phaneuf's opposition had a corsi% of 50.2, while Franson's opposition had a % of 50.0, so basically they were playing against the same level of competition.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Sep 19 @ 4:27 PM ET
Solid. Just plain solid there Mister Pach.
Enjoying the reading, looking forward to the rest in the series!

I like hearing that Zemgus is 2nd line wing...he has the wheels to keep up with Eichel...looking for 25 out of him this year.
Moulson on the left is good..he can collect the leftovers...which ain't a bad thing...30 for him this year mesays.

I'm really torn on MCabe..he'said one I have high expectations for, fits the eye eye test ... but I also think one more year in the A is the absolute best for him and therefore the Sabres in the long run.

Who's next? Could it be Samson?
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 4:44 PM ET
I would argue differently. Franson has about the same points per 60 numbers, yet doesn't have the poop possession numbers of Phaneuf.

edit: I would post the pics to prove it, but imgur isn't working at the moment

edit2: Dion Phaneuf posted a corsi per 60 minutes relative to his teammates (meaning the differential between Dion's on ice corsi value and the corsi value of his teammates while not playing with him) of -2.7. Franson's corsi%RelTM is +1.8. Franson improves the possession statistics of his line mates while Phaneuf makes it worse.

Now Phaneuf's opposition had a corsi% of 50.2, while Franson's opposition had a % of 50.0, so basically they were playing against the same level of competition.

- MattFreaknEllis

But they weren't playing the same competition. I'm not sure how you came up with that conclusion.
http://www.behindthenet.c...0+1+3+5+11+12+13+14+15+16

Phaneuf faced the tougher comp. and it wasn't really close relative to his teammates
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Sep 19 @ 5:04 PM ET
Agreed. I think in general Phaneuf is pretty good, just no where near 7 mil good
- sbroads24

if it was 2 years at 7 per, he is probably what the sabres need IMO
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 02.24.2008

Sep 19 @ 5:04 PM ET
Michael Pachla: Building the 2015-16 Buffalo Sabres roster--D, Cody Franson
- Michael Pachla

where is the skunk?
SabreWest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BC
Joined: 03.02.2015

Sep 19 @ 5:15 PM ET
Nice read as usual Michael. It's too bad Franson can't/won't play the left side. However, if he helps out on the PP, I think this will be over-looked. It's only a 2-year front-end loaded deal. If there's no room in Buffalo for him, he'll be nice trade bait at the 2016/2017 deadline.
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
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Joined: 01.14.2008

Sep 19 @ 5:40 PM ET
Michael Pachla: Building the 2015-16 Buffalo Sabres roster--D, Cody Franson
- Michael Pachla



I've been vocal from the outset that I didn't like the idea of signing Franson. He's slow and a liability in his own zone and is essentially a PP specialist. We didn't need a RD and I would have preferred going into camp with the D we have and possibly pick someone up on waivers/trade before the start of the season. Although my opinion on that hasn't changed much I'm ok with the contract he signed. If McCabe and/or Guhle impress at camp, we have a logjam on D.
ieetbred
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 06.30.2011

Sep 19 @ 6:28 PM ET
where is the skunk?
- homiedclown


Busy moving into kaleta's house.






























in buffalo
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 6:36 PM ET
I've been vocal from the outset that I didn't like the idea of signing Franson. He's slow and a liability in his own zone and is essentially a PP specialist. We didn't need a RD and I would have preferred going into camp with the D we have and possibly pick someone up on waivers/trade before the start of the season. Although my opinion on that hasn't changed much I'm ok with the contract he signed. If McCabe and/or Guhle impress at camp, we have a logjam on D.
- mhp

risto-bogo
franson-pysyk
gorges-mccabe

weber-coli-guhle


I guess they could ship weber to rochacha
mhp
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Sep 19 @ 6:47 PM ET
risto-bogo
franson-pysyk
gorges-mccabe

weber-coli-guhle


I guess they could ship weber to rochacha

- homiedclown



Looks like a big log jam to me

I would say after the Risto/Bogo pairing, it's anybody's guess who slots into the other 4 spots.

Just a guess

Gorges/Franson
Carlo/Pysyk

Not sure what the pairings were the first two days of camp though.
homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Sep 19 @ 6:52 PM ET
Looks like a big log jam to me

I would say after the Risto/Bogo pairing, it's anybody's guess who slots into the other 4 spots.

Just a guess

Gorges/Franson
Carlo/Pysyk

Not sure what the pairings were the first two days of camp though.

- mhp

(frank) the red sox


homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We want 1, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Sep 19 @ 6:53 PM ET
Looks like a big log jam to me

I would say after the Risto/Bogo pairing, it's anybody's guess who slots into the other 4 spots.

Just a guess

Gorges/Franson
Carlo/Pysyk

Not sure what the pairings were the first two days of camp though.

- mhp

at least the pp should be better
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 7:12 PM ET
(frank) the red sox



- homiedclown















edit- just saw the score, Sox over Jays 7-6!
mhp
Buffalo Sabres
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Sep 19 @ 7:23 PM ET
at least the pp should be better
- homiedclown




My guess 1st PP unit

Risto/Franson
Kane/ROR/Ennis

2nd PP unit

Carlo/Pysyk
Eichel/Girgs/Reinhart
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