Sean Maloughney: Duncan Keith You Say......

While Keith is on the older side, I can tell you that he played hard minutes for Chicago with Boqvist and Mitchell, two rookies. He'd do you well in the second pair, and would excel springing out your top offensive players like McDavid and D. This would be rejuvenating for him, especially playing in a more normal coverage then whatever the hell Colliton has going on down here. But just knowing he can see his son, and be closer, would do wonders. He's seen the tea leaves. There isn't going to be another Cup in his time here with Chicago. Keith is also a freak of nature. Great shape, takes care of his body, and while a bit slower than he was, he's still stick smart and plays the lanes well, which is what got him that Norris trophy.

Keith is not a bad pick up for you guys. I hate to lose him, but he deserves to see his son, and play for a Cup. He's earned his request to move to the NW.

This Caleb Jones for Duncan Keith is another Jeff Petry type of disaster trade in the making.

in Keith’s defense, he’s been playing with developing rookies for a couple years now and plays more back than his 2 way style to let the kids jump up in the play, letting Boqvist play his more offensive style game. Keith still has speed to keep up in the game and can play heavy minutes. he’s been relied on too heavily these past couple years

Keith has performed poorly over the last two seasons. Which should be no surprise at his age and career minutes. Expecting anything more than a bottom pairing role is optimistic. With his cap hit, he is a liability.

While I do think Keith would do better with less usage it doesn’t change the fact that he would be a cap dump. If the oilers are sending Jones I would want strome back and that’s at worst. At best I would want at least koskinnen as part of the deal.

The only way the hawks get any value out of Keith is if they retain half his salary like LA did with carter. Even then I don’t think the oilers have the draft picks to give up and Jones is still probably the better player

Kosk for Keith straight up is a good deal for both teams.

I'd be open to acquiring him. Given his top pairing minutes and role alongside young Dmen, it's no surprise his on-ice numbers suffer a fair deal. While I think Kenny may be being optimistic about Keith being a safe bet at a 2nd pairing D, it's not a ridiculous proposition. Even if he's only a 3rd pairing guy, I think his mentorship would be very useful for Bouchard and the team- especially when the playoffs hit.

Now, if the bastard gives up any serious value, then I'd have a problem.

Kosk for Keith straight up is a good deal for both teams.
- ChrisMS

Too much cap for the Oilers in year 2. Build something around each team retaining 50%. Then CHI buys Koski out and each team incurs a total cap hit of ~3.5mil for 2 years. CHI saves cap; EDM gets a chance at a 2LD.

GO FOR IT KENNY! This is why Detroit finally kicked you upstairs!

Any other team would view a Duncan Keith trade as a salary dump, and would insist on acquiring a 1st round pick in the deal. He is 37 years old, 4 seasons past the onset of steep decline.

Why should the Oilers view this player differently? It would be a huge blunder to give up useful assets for Keith, even if Chicago retains significant salary.

Keith played with bad defensive partners.
He played in an awful system.
He said all the right things like a good soldier, but I tend to think he thinks the young Hawk coach is “underwhelming”.
He is not the Keith of 5 years ago. But I think he would be rejuvenated with a change of scenery. He is a minutes eater and can play PP and PK.
I think he would be a solid second pair in Tippet’s system for 2 seasons.
Hawks could retain 1/2 salary of Keith’s cap hit and he is only due a total of $3.8 mil of actual cash over the next two years.

The deal could be enlarged. Keith and the 2nd round pick the Hawks got from Vegas for Jones, Neal and your first round pick. Hawks take a problem contract and a 2nd/3rd pair defender. Edmonton gets a solid 2 pair defender.

Keith played with bad defensive partners.
He played in an awful system.
He said all the right things like a good soldier, but I tend to think he thinks the young Hawk coach is “underwhelming”.
He is not the Keith of 5 years ago. But I think he would be rejuvenated with a change of scenery. He is a minutes eater and can play PP and PK.
I think he would be a solid second pair in Tippet’s system for 2 seasons.
Hawks could retain 1/2 salary of Keith’s cap hit and he is only due a total of $3.8 mil of actual cash over the next two years.

The deal could be enlarged. Keith and the 2nd round pick the Hawks got from Vegas for Jones, Neal and your first round pick. Hawks take a problem contract and a 2nd/3rd pair defender. Edmonton gets a solid 2 pair defender.
- Ztra

No.

Why should the Oilers view this player differently? It would be a huge blunder to give up useful assets for Keith, even if Chicago retains significant salary.
- Jackie Daytona

Jones' status as a "useful asset" for the Oilers is likely questionable at this point. Tippett doesn't seem to like him because he makes glaring mistakes, his mother kicked up some dust on social media about his usage earlier in the year (Caleb then unfollowed the Oilers after the season), and he's likely to be exposed (& taken) in the expansion draft.

Not saying this means he should have no value but more that it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that he's on his way out.

Neal making 11.5 is better than 37 yr old Keith making 3.6?

Ok. Stan is a moron, so you might get this trade

Keith has ZERO value on any team. Retire already!!!!!!

Keith has ZERO value on any team. Retire already!!!!!!
- Shady1962

Do you just travel the blogs dropping your halfwit comments ? You must be a very lonely moron.

Thank the maker Holland isn't wrecking Detroit any longer.... Yzerman is left to pick up the pieces of a shattered franchise, which Mike Babcock had his hand in ruining as well pushing for, among others,Stephen Weiss. I feel for Oiler fans knowing Ken Holland is driving. Fortunately there is alcohol and Tylenol for a bad case of the Holland. I go feel for you guys, 2 of the best forwards in the league and Holland tasked with putting pieces around them.... at least he hasn't called Justin Abdelkador for a tryout... he might, then Helm. Good luck Oiler fans... I feel your pain.

Keith played with bad defensive partners.
He played in an awful system.
He said all the right things like a good soldier, but I tend to think he thinks the young Hawk coach is “underwhelming”.
He is not the Keith of 5 years ago. But I think he would be rejuvenated with a change of scenery. He is a minutes eater and can play PP and PK.
I think he would be a solid second pair in Tippet’s system for 2 seasons.
Hawks could retain 1/2 salary of Keith’s cap hit and he is only due a total of $3.8 mil of actual cash over the next two years.

The deal could be enlarged. Keith and the 2nd round pick the Hawks got from Vegas for Jones, Neal and your first round pick. Hawks take a problem contract and a 2nd/3rd pair defender. Edmonton gets a solid 2 pair defender.
- Ztra

The Oilers are not concerned about actual dollars, they are concerned about cap space.

Also, they are not the ones looking to make the deal so there is no reason for them to pay a premium. That second deal is disgusting from their end.

The Oilers will have a stay at home, 2nd pair defenseman for 1.5-2M less in cap than Keith in Larsson. No need to add Keith. Could they do it if there was a sweetener coming their way? Sure. But no reason to unless it benefits them. Jones + Koskinen for Keith + 2nd with some salary retention discussed both ways is far closer than your offer.

Keith isn't going to win a Norris trophy but playing for tippet rather than the cool youth pastor in Chicago probably improves things.

Certainly better than the larssons of the NHL even in his advanced years.

You can argue intangibles all you want but having a winner in the locker room is needed for that perpetual group of losers and underachievers.

Keith isn't going to win a Norris trophy but playing for tippet rather than the cool youth pastor in Chicago probably improves things.

Certainly better than the larssons of the NHL even in his advanced years.

You can argue intangibles all you want but having a winner in the locker room is needed for that perpetual group of losers and underachievers.
- fattybeef

The winner Keith has won a single playoff game over the last half decade. Maybe he forgot how to win. Or maybe his physical decline is matching up with his intangibles decline.

The winner Keith has won a single playoff game over the last half decade. Maybe he forgot how to win. Or maybe his physical decline is matching up with his intangibles decline.
- jfkst1

He lost his Mojo when he lost Seabrook. The Oil find a way to repair Seabrook and sign him so he can once again play alongside Keith and they got a rejuvenated Keith.

While Keith is on the older side, I can tell you that he played hard minutes for Chicago with Boqvist and Mitchell, two rookies. He'd do you well in the second pair, and would excel springing out your top offensive players like McDavid and D. This would be rejuvenating for him, especially playing in a more normal coverage then whatever the hell Colliton has going on down here. But just knowing he can see his son, and be closer, would do wonders. He's seen the tea leaves. There isn't going to be another Cup in his time here with Chicago. Keith is also a freak of nature. Great shape, takes care of his body, and while a bit slower than he was, he's still stick smart and plays the lanes well, which is what got him that Norris trophy.

Keith is not a bad pick up for you guys. I hate to lose him, but he deserves to see his son, and play for a Cup. He's earned his request to move to the NW.
- resqmed99

I agree with all this....as long time Hawk fan and observer. Forget his stats the last two - three years. He never had a great shot or effective on the pp even during his best years. 2nd pairing minutes, pp back up plug in, 20-22 minutes per game. He could help the oilers. He was asked to carry the load with rookie Dmen and assorted injuries to Dehahn and Murphy.

I agree with all this....as long time Hawk fan and observer. Forget his stats the last two - three years. He never had a great shot or effective on the pp even during his best years. 2nd pairing minutes, pp back up plug in, 20-22 minutes per game. He could help the oilers. He was asked to carry the load with rookie Dmen and assorted injuries to Dehahn and Murphy.
- bogiedoc

You say at those parameters that he could help the oilers, but his cap hit doesn't justify a second liner with limited pp or pk value. Only way acquiring him makes any sense is if something negative (for at least the 2 years of his contract) is leaving to offset the hit (i.e. Neal or Kassian). Oil certainly better not be giving up anything to get him.