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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Aug 1 @ 3:14 AM ET
Theo Fox: Runway Modeling A look at the element of speed that the Blackhawks are rebuilding around and how the 2022 draft class may be the starting point headlined by Frank Nazar, Kevin Korchinski, and Sam Rinzel.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Aug 1 @ 4:42 AM ET
Uno (early flight today)

Alex Fortin, Stahlberg, the Hawks have had their share.

You fill the backlog with guys who can skate, you bound to hit on a few.

Better to have ones that can keep up with the rest of the league going forward. One thing the Blackhawks have looked the last few years is slow, and as much as one can hate a total tear down, you're never winning a cup with slow.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Aug 1 @ 9:17 AM ET
Alex Fortin was signed when he had a good prospect camp. He was never drafted. Of course scouts make mistakes but all 31 of them in his draft year? Kudo's for him to getting a few games in the NHL and a few years pro. IMO Jack Skille would of been a better example of your thesis, of which I agree with.

Or for us old timers, Bob Liddington of the Chicago Cougars.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 1 @ 9:52 AM ET
The Athletic did a re-do of the 2019 draft. While it’s too early to seriously question that draft it’s still fun. Some notable changes:

- Zegras goes #2 (went 9th)
- Seider goes #3 (6th)
- Caufield goes #5 (15th)
- Byram goes #6 (4th)
- Kakko goes #10 (2nd)
- Dach goes #11 (3rd)
- Hoglander goes #18 (40th)
- Wolf goes #19 (214th)
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Aug 1 @ 10:03 AM ET
Travis Yost, writing for TSN, has begun a series of articles grading position depth charts by team. It likely subjective, but he has the Hawks in the bottom 4 for left wings.

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...left-wing-depth-1.1831511
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Aug 1 @ 10:18 AM ET
Travis Yost, writing for TSN, has begun a series of articles grading position depth charts by team. It likely subjective, but he has the Hawks in the bottom 4 for left wings.

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...left-wing-depth-1.1831511

- boilermaker100


I’d say they’re in the bottom 2.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Aug 1 @ 11:03 AM ET
I’d say they’re in the bottom 2.
- DarthKane


Time to lose another trade involving Saad.
Dieselhead
Location: CA
Joined: 11.01.2011

Aug 1 @ 11:16 AM ET
Time to lose another trade involving Saad.
- 333inthe3rd


Other than Kane, I don't think that there is a single player on the current roster that would be considered a loss in a trade for Saad.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Aug 1 @ 11:18 AM ET
Travis Yost, writing for TSN, has begun a series of articles grading position depth charts by team. It likely subjective, but he has the Hawks in the bottom 4 for left wings.

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...left-wing-depth-1.1831511

- boilermaker100


Interesting they have Kubalik listed as a LW.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 1 @ 11:35 AM ET
Time to lose another trade involving Saad.
- 333inthe3rd

Our two #1's and Kane as a sweetener half retained.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 1 @ 11:38 AM ET
Interesting they have Kubalik listed as a LW.
- Chunk

They're missing Bobby Hull.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 1 @ 11:42 AM ET
Other than Kane, I don't think that there is a single player on the current roster that would be considered a loss in a trade for Saad.
- Dieselhead

Jones would be a loss.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Aug 1 @ 11:53 AM ET
Jones would be a loss.
- rpeters01

Losing that contract would be a win
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Aug 1 @ 11:54 AM ET
Losing that contract would be a win
- paulr


You will need his contract to reach the cap floor next year.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Aug 1 @ 12:06 PM ET
Losing that contract would be a win
- paulr

It's a million less than Toews and Kane's 8 year old contract's it's a fair contract.
333inthe3rd
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 02.04.2015

Aug 1 @ 12:25 PM ET
It's a million less than Toews and Kane's 8 year old contract's it's a fair contract.
- rpeters01


Fairness argument aside, is it a contract that helps them in the rebuild? Aside from staying above the salary floor, as was mentioned earlier.
Revco38
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Wherever I leave my hat
Joined: 07.26.2006

Aug 1 @ 12:29 PM ET
It's a million less than Toews and Kane's 8 year old contract's it's a fair contract.
- rpeters01


Think it is $500k-$1 million more than market, but its not egregious.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Aug 1 @ 12:53 PM ET
It's a million less than Toews and Kane's 8 year old contract's it's a fair contract.
- rpeters01

When signed, Toews and Kane were far superior players than Jones when he signed. It’s a terrible contract for a good not great player. But LA is correct the Hawks need that brutal contract to get to the cap floor. My concern is if Chicago were to become viable in two to three years does that contract become an albatross?
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Aug 1 @ 12:59 PM ET
Nothing wrong with Jones or his contract. The guy is a 1D and he was signed in his prime to be that. You aren't gonna get a discount on a guy you didn't draft. That's just how the system works.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Aug 1 @ 1:04 PM ET
Interesting they have Kubalik listed as a LW.
- Chunk

Its what he played pretty much the whole time with the Hawks. Whereas Lafferty has played center and RW with the Hawks.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Aug 1 @ 1:04 PM ET
Nothing wrong with Jones or his contract. The guy is a 1D and he was signed in his prime to be that. You aren't gonna get a discount on a guy you didn't draft. That's just how the system works.
- breadbag


And it's not like we have anyone that is going to command a big contract for now. If we do win the Bedard lotto draft, then maybe in 4 years so really Seth's contract isn't going to affect us for years.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Aug 1 @ 1:06 PM ET
When signed, Toews and Kane were far superior players than Jones when he signed. It’s a terrible contract for a good not great player. But LA is correct the Hawks need that brutal contract to get to the cap floor. My concern is if Chicago were to become viable in two to three years does that contract become an albatross?
- paulr

It already is an albatross. He is overpaid by 2-3M easily and why that contract is on just about every list of worse contracts in the league.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Aug 1 @ 1:07 PM ET
You will need his contract to reach the cap floor next year.
- LAHawk

There are many ways to accomplish getting to the floor. Its not a reason to keep Jones, imo.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Aug 1 @ 1:09 PM ET
Travis Yost, writing for TSN, has begun a series of articles grading position depth charts by team. It likely subjective, but he has the Hawks in the bottom 4 for left wings.

https://www.tsn.ca/travis...left-wing-depth-1.1831511

- boilermaker100

That list is pretty flawed given that a lot don't actually play LW. Does the 4 listed for the Blues really scare anyone?

Saad, Buchevich, Barbashev and some other rummy? I mean is it really a top tier group?
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Aug 1 @ 1:10 PM ET
Nothing wrong with Jones or his contract. The guy is a 1D and he was signed in his prime to be that. You aren't gonna get a discount on a guy you didn't draft. That's just how the system works.
- breadbag

Not on a good team. Could be a reason why he has played on mediocre to bad teams his whole career.
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