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IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Sep 4 @ 1:19 PM ET
Ian Esplen: Gagner out, Chelios in? Gagner out, Chelios in?
dshiddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canucks blogger in disguise., BC
Joined: 06.23.2008

Sep 4 @ 1:22 PM ET
I would hire your mom.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 4 @ 1:30 PM ET
I read the news about Gagner this morning. As an Ontario guy I don't blame him for returning to his home province. As for his replacement, haven't got a clue. Wasn't even aware of what Chelios has been up to. Anyone got a proper job description for the "Player Development" job? Maybe I should apply.
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Sep 4 @ 1:33 PM ET
I read the news about Gagner this morning. As an Ontario guy I don't blame him for returning to his home province. As for his replacement, haven't got a clue. Wasn't even aware of what Chelios has been up to. Anyone got a proper job description for the "Player Development" job? Maybe I should apply.
- LeftCoaster


Get players from draft day into the NHL to about that 100 game mark - Is mostly what I consider it.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Sep 4 @ 1:35 PM ET
Chelios would be very demanding a good fit. I don't know if he would come though.
dshiddy
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canucks blogger in disguise., BC
Joined: 06.23.2008

Sep 4 @ 1:38 PM ET
Chelios has zero affiliation with the Canucks, doesn't make sense.

Linden or someone from the organization would be better. It's not like its a tough job.
KJohnson
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo, BC
Joined: 01.16.2013

Sep 4 @ 1:48 PM ET
Chelios has zero affiliation with the Canucks, doesn't make sense.

Linden or someone from the organization would be better. It's not like its a tough job.

- dshiddy


Tell that to teams with excellent development programs. The ones that seem to stay on top of the league despite drafting low every year as a result of yearly playoff appearances. Fittingly, Detroit is probably the best example of a team like that. Show me one team in the league that has done a better job developing players over the last decade. A lot of that credit likely goes to Ken Holland as much as the various staff he has had in supporting roles.

It's hugely important. If you can't develop your picks/prospects, have fun overpaying in free agency.
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Sep 4 @ 1:48 PM ET
Chelios has zero affiliation with the Canucks, doesn't make sense.

Linden or someone from the organization would be better. It's not like its a tough job.

- dshiddy


I'd disagree with that. Developing players is, in my opinion, more important than drafting them. And siven Vancouver's history of 40+ years of not exactly drafting well, my guess is player development has played a role in that.

And why is there a need for this person to have affilliation with the team? If they can develop players I'd take a guy from the Maple Leafs.
Whiskey-Tango
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Classification: Bipolar-Tanker, QC
Joined: 12.10.2011

Sep 4 @ 1:50 PM ET
Two Canucks bloggers now?

Cordell's saying he will start assisting starting Thursday..
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 4 @ 1:50 PM ET
Chelios has zero affiliation with the Canucks, doesn't make sense.

Linden or someone from the organization would be better. It's not like its a tough job.

- dshiddy


Linden has expressed zero interest in getting back into hockey so far, but if he wanted to he could be a very good fit. He seems to be enjoying life going on bike trips, making money through his gyms, and not having to worry about the stress of a job like that though.
fiveandagame
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 05.06.2010

Sep 4 @ 1:53 PM ET
Chelios has zero affiliation with the Canucks, doesn't make sense.

Linden or someone from the organization would be better. It's not like its a tough job.

- dshiddy


Linden. He owns a bunch of gyms, he could do some good cross promotion.

Chelios hates the Canucks. I can't see him moving to Vancouver.
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 4 @ 1:54 PM ET
I think Chelios would be a great fit for the job. I would just question whether it's a job he'd want or not. And whether he'd be interested in leaving the Red Wings for the Canucks.

The Red Wings have been a great springboard for front office personnel. Not that the Canucks haven't, but the Wings seem to be the class of the league at this point in terms of developing front office staff. Might have something to do with working with Ken Holland...
KB3Point0
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver
Joined: 06.14.2012

Sep 4 @ 1:57 PM ET
Tell that to teams with excellent development programs. The ones that seem to stay on top of the league despite drafting low every year as a result of yearly playoff appearances. Fittingly, Detroit is probably the best example of a team like that. Show me one team in the league that has done a better job developing players over the last decade. A lot of that credit likely goes to Ken Holland as much as the various staff he has had in supporting roles.

It's hugely important. If you can't develop your picks/prospects, have fun overpaying in free agency.

- KJohnson


Excellent point. People like to credit their drafting ability for getting guys like Datsyuk and Zetterberg so late. While they do deserve credit, if they were so sure they'd be the stars they were then why'd they draft them so late? Their player development team has not received enough credit for turning their draft picks into the players they are. They've done a masterful job for years.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 4 @ 2:04 PM ET
Tell that to teams with excellent development programs. The ones that seem to stay on top of the league despite drafting low every year as a result of yearly playoff appearances. Fittingly, Detroit is probably the best example of a team like that. Show me one team in the league that has done a better job developing players over the last decade. A lot of that credit likely goes to Ken Holland as much as the various staff he has had in supporting roles.

It's hugely important. If you can't develop your picks/prospects, have fun overpaying in free agency.

- KJohnson

This is such a myth. Detroit has a pretty poor drafting record over that past ten years.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 4 @ 2:06 PM ET
Two Canucks bloggers now?

Cordell's saying he will start assisting starting Thursday..

- Whiskey-Tango



Bring back Pete too and we'll have a Canuck trio!
B_A_Baracus
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Hockey Abiss that is the U
Joined: 01.12.2006

Sep 4 @ 2:07 PM ET
No way in hell do I want Chelios anywhere near the Canucks organization, he's a cancer
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Sep 4 @ 2:07 PM ET
Linden. He owns a bunch of gyms, he could do some good cross promotion.

Chelios hates the Canucks. I can't see him moving to Vancouver.

- fiveandagame


Highly doubt it as well. Hard not to like the Linden suggestion, such a well respected guy/player and very smart.
thundachunk
Location: Help
Joined: 12.31.2011

Sep 4 @ 2:15 PM ET
Highly doubt it as well. Hard not to like the Linden suggestion, such a well respected guy/player and very smart.
- Nucker101

Other than his charity work Linden has distanced himself from the Canucks. I doubt he wants the job. One could say the same about many former players.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Sep 4 @ 2:16 PM ET
We should get Mike Keenan to do it so that Torts comes off as an easy coach once they get to the show.
KJohnson
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo, BC
Joined: 01.16.2013

Sep 4 @ 2:36 PM ET
We should get Mike Keenan to do it so that Torts comes off as an easy coach once they get to the show.
- golfingsince


Keenan and Torts in the same organization? Scary thought.

Although, that might make for a great reality show. Tell me you wouldn't tune into an episode of that...
Fosco
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Marwood's Beotch, BC
Joined: 12.08.2007

Sep 4 @ 2:48 PM ET
This is such a myth. Detroit has a pretty poor drafting record over that past ten years.
- LeftCoaster


Might want to take a look at their current prospect pool.

It's loaded with talent, and very deep.
LeftCoaster
Location: Valley Of The Sun
Joined: 07.03.2009

Sep 4 @ 2:54 PM ET
Might want to take a look at their current prospect pool.

It's loaded with talent, and very deep.

- Fosco

Currently yes, they have some nice UNPROVEN talent. But look at their drafting record with regard to number of NHL games played over the past ten years, it's not that great. I read an article on it, basically Datsyuk and Zetterberg were drafted 15 and 14 years ago respectively. Everyone is still saying how great it was to pick up those late round picks, fifteen years ago people!
IanEsplen
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 11.22.2011

Sep 4 @ 2:56 PM ET
This is such a myth. Detroit has a pretty poor drafting record over that past ten years.
- LeftCoaster


I'm not sure what drafting and developing is to you, but when your roster looks like this:
Justin Abdelkader
Joakim Andersson
Pavel Datsyuk
Cory Emmerton
Johan Franzen
Darren Helm
Gustav Nyquist
Tomas Tatar
Henrik Zetterberg
Danny DeKeyser
Jonathan Ericsson
Jakub Kindl
Niklas Kronwall
Brendan Smith
Jimmy Howard

I'd say that's decent drafting and development
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 4 @ 2:56 PM ET
I read the news about Gagner this morning. As an Ontario guy I don't blame him for returning to his home province. As for his replacement, haven't got a clue. Wasn't even aware of what Chelios has been up to. Anyone got a proper job description for the "Player Development" job? Maybe I should apply.
- LeftCoaster



If beer drinking is included in the carriculum ,then you are the man and I know where you can get 20 assistants who would love to get paid in beer.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Sep 4 @ 2:57 PM ET
Chelios has zero affiliation with the Canucks, doesn't make sense.

Linden or someone from the organization would be better. It's not like its a tough job.

- dshiddy



That is being polite , he hates the Canucks .
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