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Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

May 6 @ 10:31 PM ET
Trevor Shackles: Ottawa will be Drafting in the Late Teens After CBJ's loss, we know Ottawa will be drafting between 17th-19th
Antilles
St Louis Blues
Joined: 10.17.2008

May 7 @ 2:26 AM ET
Getting a taste of success in the playoffs seems more likely to convince him to sign with a perennial contender than to resign with a team that barely squeeked into the playoffs and is losing a lot of major pieces this off-season.
Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

May 7 @ 3:05 AM ET
Getting a taste of success in the playoffs seems more likely to convince him to sign with a perennial contender than to resign with a team that barely squeeked into the playoffs and is losing a lot of major pieces this off-season.
- Antilles


We don't know that they'll be losing major pieces. Also they were still a decent team before they got Duchene, so if they just lose Panarin, they could still be fine. If anything, they really underperformed in the regular season too. Duchene isn't gonna be one to go for broke, he just wants a team that's committed to winning.
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 7 @ 4:42 AM ET
One two punch of Duchene and Dubois up the middle seems pretty good...
kaptaan
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Turning a new Leaf, CA
Joined: 09.29.2010

May 7 @ 4:44 AM ET
We don't know that they'll be losing major pieces. Also they were still a decent team before they got Duchene, so if they just lose Panarin, they could still be fine. If anything, they really underperformed in the regular season too. Duchene isn't gonna be one to go for broke, he just wants a team that's committed to winning.
- Trevor Shackles

He'll be a bigger fish in Columbus than he'd be elsewhere. This team is an up and comer.

Losing Panarin and the Bob father won't be too bad with all the talent around that club.
13sundin13
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 06.29.2006

May 7 @ 4:44 AM ET
I see Duchene signing in CBJ, they’ll have a lot of cap room and might be a bit desperate to sign him if Panarin leaves. With Panarin and Bob gone, the Jackets would also be a worse team which could make the pick high. Guess it all depends on who wants Duchene this year.
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

May 7 @ 5:51 AM ET
Guys leave the Stanley Cup winners and the runner ups for more money when they hit free agency. CBJ won one round. Anything can happen.
spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

May 7 @ 6:38 AM ET
I see Duchene signing in CBJ, they’ll have a lot of cap room and might be a bit desperate to sign him if Panarin leaves. With Panarin and Bob gone, the Jackets would also be a worse team which could make the pick high. Guess it all depends on who wants Duchene this year.
- 13sundin13


Surprised there is not more analysis of the impending crunch. An increasing number of teams are CAP paralyzed. They will need to move out bodies in order to sign their own RFAs and UFA's. Some teams will be offering incentives as they try to trade big contracts.

On the other side, there is a potential record number of UFAs on the market looking for max contracts.

Some very good players are going to be left on the sidelines. The top guys always get their money. Opportunities will be available for teams with big CAP space if they sit in the weeds and wait.

Ottawa is going to be a bottom feeder for the next two seasons. Do you really want a veteran player who would be anxious to come here and play for a lottery team? No way! Play the kids and add a few character journeymen to help them learn the NHL game.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 7 @ 7:34 AM ET
I hope they take a guy who's more offensively minded. As oppose to always taking the safer 2 way player
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

May 7 @ 7:41 AM ET
Getting a taste of success in the playoffs seems more likely to convince him to sign with a perennial contender than to resign with a team that barely squeeked into the playoffs and is losing a lot of major pieces this off-season.


which "perennial contender" has enough cap space to add an 8-9 million dollar center this off season? most of the top teams are going to be hell bent to try and re-sign their own RFAs (Toronto, wpg, tampa, cgy, VGK, Bos), the rest of the "perennial contenders" are already hard up against the cap, or too much so to go "all in" on Duchene (Stl, SJ, Pitt, Wash). the only teams that will have the $$ to spend on him, and who have a need for him, are those "bubble teams" (NYI, CBJ, Car, etc)
mgm986
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.17.2018

May 7 @ 8:18 AM ET
I'm confused about how the draft order works, as I was wondering where teams eliminated in the first round would be draft as well.

Here's what I read:

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/rules/

Doesn't that mean that all the teams eliminated in the first round of the playoffs would be picking before Columbus (OTT)? Making the absolute earliest they could pick 24th overall?
ATrainTwentyFour
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 06.19.2018

May 7 @ 8:33 AM ET
That is indeed what is said at that link, but it is wrong. Only the final 4 picks are determined by playoff results.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

May 7 @ 9:00 AM ET
I'm confused about how the draft order works, as I was wondering where teams eliminated in the first round would be draft as well.

Here's what I read:

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/rules/

Doesn't that mean that all the teams eliminated in the first round of the playoffs would be picking before Columbus (OTT)? Making the absolute earliest they could pick 24th overall?

- mgm986


the final 4 pick 28-31....picks 1-27 are given to the remaining teams based on how they finished in the standings.

for example, Tampa finished 1st overall but didn't make the conf finals, so they get pick 27
mgm986
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 02.17.2018

May 7 @ 10:43 AM ET
the final 4 pick 28-31....picks 1-27 are given to the remaining teams based on how they finished in the standings.

for example, Tampa finished 1st overall but didn't make the conf finals, so they get pick 27

- sensarmy_11


Good to know, thanks for the clarification.
Sens Writer
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 08.19.2013

May 7 @ 10:58 AM ET
I hope they take a guy who's more offensively minded. As oppose to always taking the safer 2 way player
- david22

If they opt for a more dynamic offensive-minded forward, look at maybe Ryan Suzuki, Bobby Brink, or Jakob Pelletier as prime options. What I really don't want to see them do is pick some kind of 'safe' winger, because that's a complete waste of time with a first round pick... or second round pick, for that matter.

http://www.mynhldraft.com...ayer-profiles/Ryan-Suzuki
http://www.mynhldraft.com...ayer-profiles/Bobby-Brink
http://www.mynhldraft.com...-profiles/Jakob-Pelletier
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

May 7 @ 12:09 PM ET
If they opt for a more dynamic offensive-minded forward, look at maybe Ryan Suzuki, Bobby Brink, or Jakob Pelletier as prime options. What I really don't want to see them do is pick some kind of 'safe' winger, because that's a complete waste of time with a first round pick... or second round pick, for that matter.

http://www.mynhldraft.com...ayer-profiles/Ryan-Suzuki
http://www.mynhldraft.com...ayer-profiles/Bobby-Brink
http://www.mynhldraft.com...-profiles/Jakob-Pelletier

- khawk


I know I pump the tires of Halifax players a lot, but Raph Lavoie in Halifax is ALL offense. Kind of reminds me of Kovalev (when he was still good). he's a bit of a floater in his own zone, but the kid has RIDICULOUS skill with the puck. he's a projected top 20 pick I believe.

he had 32g 73pts in the reg season (73gp) and in the playoffs he has 19g 30pts in 20gp.

he's big, fast, skilled....and he's a center which is a position where Ottawa lacks skill
ktownfan
Joined: 12.07.2014

May 7 @ 2:31 PM ET
So Columbus has netted the Sens a first round pick with the hope of another in 2020 if he resigns. So What are the potential scenarios for a first round Sharks exit?...and if Karlsson resigns?
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

May 7 @ 3:57 PM ET
Dont we also have their 2nd from this year from the Dzingel trade......or was that a 2020
Mpepe1084
Ottawa Senators
Location: CT
Joined: 01.15.2009

May 7 @ 4:09 PM ET
Dont we also have their 2nd from this year from the Dzingel trade......or was that a 2020
- sensarmy_11


2020 for the Dzingel trade.
david22
Ottawa Senators
Joined: 04.15.2008

May 7 @ 5:36 PM ET
2020 for the Dzingel trade.
- Mpepe1084


Yup.

2020 Second Round Pick
2021 Second Round Pick
Duclair

for
Dzingel
7th Round Pick Calgary

In terms of what they gave away (Dzingel) this may have been the best return.
Trevor Shackles
Ottawa Senators
Location: Richmond, BC
Joined: 05.18.2018

May 7 @ 5:37 PM ET
So Columbus has netted the Sens a first round pick with the hope of another in 2020 if he resigns. So What are the potential scenarios for a first round Sharks exit?...and if Karlsson resigns?
- ktownfan


Karlsson has to re-sign for Ottawa to get an extra pick. If he does that PLUS they make the SCF, they get SJ's 2021 1st round pick. If he re-signs but they don't make the SCF, it's just a 2nd round pick