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PLindbergh31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Company Stogeville, NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 17 @ 11:25 AM ET
Good to see Patrick signed and have the green light to go when camp opens.

Looks like he is penciled in for 3C, with more favorable matchups and decent players playing on his wing what is a reasonable expectation? I’d say in the 40-50 point range would be a fair.
Dave21Brown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 12.09.2018

Oct 17 @ 11:31 AM ET
Good to see Patrick signed and have the green light to go when camp opens.

Looks like he is penciled in for 3C, with more favorable matchups and decent players playing on his wing what is a reasonable expectation? I’d say in the 40-50 point range would be a fair.

- PLindbergh31

That’d be a huge step up from his two 30 point seasons! He didn’t progress much (at all) offensively his D+2 season.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 11:32 AM ET
I agree with Chuck here. I am excited about this team going forward. The flyers were arguably the hottest team in the NHL before everything for shut down and I see no reason why we can't repeat that this upcoming season. Losing nisky hurts, yes, but I still like our D and the 3 young core guys back there
Another thing... If the schedule is jam packed with back to backs would it be a bad idea to let some of the kids get a call up for games and five the older players a night off of they get run down? Depth is going to be so important this upcoming season
It will help the kids gain experience and it could stop the old guys from falling apart
I am sure someone here will tell me that my opinion is wrong but f that guy anyway

- Dak prescott's ankle


Salary cap.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 11:33 AM ET
That’d be a huge step up from his two 30 point seasons! He didn’t progress much (at all) offensively his D+2 season.
- Dave21Brown


Just because Patrick has accepted his qualifying offer and is now under contract does not mean he is or isn't ready to play. That was always just a formality for the player.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Oct 17 @ 11:33 AM ET
Good to see Patrick signed and have the green light to go when camp opens.

Looks like he is penciled in for 3C, with more favorable matchups and decent players playing on his wing what is a reasonable expectation? I’d say in the 40-50 point range would be a fair.

- PLindbergh31


Thay depends on the number of games being played in 2021. But yes, the potential is there for that but first thing's first let's hope his migraines are under control.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.04.2008

Oct 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
So does this mean we won’t be playing outside our Eastern Division? Travel will be a cake-walk.


- Dave21Brown


And even then:

https://www.foxnews.com/h...14-infected-at-ice-hockey
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
So does this mean we won’t be playing outside our Eastern Division? Travel will be a cake-walk.


- Dave21Brown

This also makes me wonder if Arizona could finally move north of the border if this stuff continues. Each division has 8 teams then. Will be interesting to see the playoff breakdown.
PLindbergh31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Company Stogeville, NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 17 @ 11:36 AM ET
Thay depends on the number of games being played in 2021. But yes, the potential is there for that but first thing's first let's hope his migraines are under control.
- Pelle31Forever


If he’s not ready to start the season, or he’s in and out of the lineup due to his condition then what?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.04.2008

Oct 17 @ 11:39 AM ET
What an idiotic thing to say. Before last season he had over a PPG with 85 points. Guy is only 33 come January. Tons of high level players play at a high level until their late 30s
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Perhaps we can at least set the terms of this debate, irrespective of which side we are on:

Regular season Giroux: still good, has been for a while.
Post season Giroux: has been bad, and been so for some time.

It appears to me the former is just ornamental. Especially this season, with limited seating and possible repetition of bubble. Home ice won't matter much.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.04.2008

Oct 17 @ 11:42 AM ET
The line of jvr Laughton pitlick was effective in the playoffs.
- Peter Richards



My mind is blurring a little. Laughton was moved all over during the playoffs.

I do remember that line being good during the regular season. In the playoffs, iirc, Laughton started as 2LW, demoted, benched, then played on 3rd line? Also as 1C when Couturier was out? How many games did the line you mention play as such in the playoffs?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 11:44 AM ET
Perhaps we can at least set the terms of this debate, irrespective of which side we are on:

Regular season Giroux: still good, has been for a while.
Post season Giroux: has been bad, and been so for some time.

It appears to me the former is just ornamental. Especially this season, with limited seating and possible repetition of bubble. Home ice won't matter much.

- PT21


You're not qualified to set the terms of any debate on anything. Each person is entitled to their opinion and others are free to agree or disagree. Those are the only terms of a debate on an open online forum.

In my opinion I think it is safe to say that Giroux is not longer a player that can carry a team in the regular season or the playoffs. However I think he is still capable of being a very good player on a good team. Surround him with better player and more talent so he is not as much of the focus for the opposition and in matchups and he still be a point a game player. Or close to it.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Oct 17 @ 11:51 AM ET
My mind is blurring a little. Laughton was moved all over during the playoffs.

I do remember that line being good during the regular season. In the playoffs, iirc, Laughton started as 2LW, demoted, benched, then played on 3rd line? Also as 1C when Couturier was out? How many games did the line you mention play as such in the playoffs?

- PT21


Yes. Against the isles before coots went down they played I think two games. Maybe 1.5. But had good pressure on the forecheck. If everyone is healthy. Lines could be all over the place. I feel there are many players who played well together last year in different stretches as injuries occurred.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.04.2008

Oct 17 @ 11:57 AM ET
Yes. Against the isles before coots went down they played I think two games. Maybe 1.5. But had good pressure on the forecheck.
- Peter Richards


He was certainly their most effective forward in the last few games against the Isles, won't you say? Perhaps along with Hayes?

While all except Hart struggled, I think there were degrees of struggling.

Guys who maximized their own game and did as well as could be reasonably expected:

Raffl
Hagg

Guys who adapted from their earlier struggles and start becoming more effective.

Laughton
Hayes
Myers to a lesser extent
Provorov

Guys who improved but nowhere near enough

Giroux
Voracek
JVR
Couturier

Guys who never managed to find anything close to the 2nd gear:
TK
Sanheim

What do you guys think?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 17 @ 12:06 PM ET
He was certainly their most effective forward in the last few games against the Isles, won't you say? Perhaps along with Hayes?

While all except Hart struggled, I think there were degrees of struggling.

Guys who maximized their own game and did as well as could be reasonably expected:

Raffl
Hagg

Guys who adapted from their earlier struggles and start becoming more effective.

Laughton
Hayes
Myers to a lesser extent
Provorov

Guys who improved but nowhere near enough

Giroux
Voracek
JVR
Couturier

Guys who never managed to find anything close to the 2nd gear:
TK
Sanheim

What do you guys think?

- PT21


Myers and Sanheim, collectively and individually, struggled in the Islanders series. Both were good up to that point.

Voracek was effective in the Montreal series overall, a non-factor against the Isles.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 12:12 PM ET
He was certainly their most effective forward in the last few games against the Isles, won't you say? Perhaps along with Hayes?

While all except Hart struggled, I think there were degrees of struggling.

Guys who maximized their own game and did as well as could be reasonably expected:

Raffl
Hagg

Guys who adapted from their earlier struggles and start becoming more effective.

Laughton
Hayes
Myers to a lesser extent
Provorov

Guys who improved but nowhere near enough

Giroux
Voracek
JVR
Couturier

Guys who never managed to find anything close to the 2nd gear:
TK
Sanheim

What do you guys think?

- PT21


I think you're missing a number of players.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 12:16 PM ET
Myers and Sanheim, collectively and individually, struggled in the Islanders series. Both were good up to that point.

Voracek was effective in the Montreal series overall, a non-factor against the Isles.

- bmeltzer


It's really just much simpler to say as a whole, the entire team underachieved. They never matched the team play that they had in the regular season. They made a mediocre but hard playing Montreal team look good. The Flyers we saw in the regular season easily handle them. In my opinion playing at the regular season level, they also beat the Isles in a tough series. It's not an excuse but I think the stoppage and the bubble really affected this team as a whole. We'll never know and it's pure speculation but I think things would've been different without the stoppage. Not to the point of making the finals. They wouldn't have beaten TB no matter what.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.04.2008

Oct 17 @ 12:23 PM ET
Myers and Sanheim, collectively and individually, struggled in the Islanders series. Both were good up to that point.

Voracek was effective in the Montreal series overall, a non-factor against the Isles.

- bmeltzer



Bill, I thought I saw signs of Myers improving, especially games 5 and 6, and especially compared to Travis. You dont agree?

Dak prescott's ankle
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.16.2020

Oct 17 @ 1:01 PM ET
Salary cap.
- MJL

Wouldn't having do they get paid x amount per game they play? You bring up a solid point and I am not sure how that works with a cap. You seem to always know this type of stuff. Let's say Allison plays a handful of games . How much actual cap space would he consume during those games?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 1:09 PM ET
Wouldn't having do they get paid x amount per game they play? You bring up a solid point and I am not sure how that works with a cap. You seem to always know this type of stuff. Let's say Allison plays a handful of games . How much actual cap space would he consume during those games?
- Dak prescott's ankle


The cap is about days, not games. Any time a player is on the active roster he counts against the cap. Just because he is scratched doesn't mean he is off the cap. We'll have to see where the Flyers wind up after signing Myers. Each time you call up a player, it takes away from the cap space you have. Not to mention roster space. What you state is just not feasible for a variety of reasons.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Oct 17 @ 1:37 PM ET
If he’s not ready to start the season, or he’s in and out of the lineup due to his condition then what?
- PLindbergh31


Point projection or just what the Flyers should do?
Landsbergfan
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Oct 17 @ 2:05 PM ET
June.1 2010
Giroux is still very capable of being a first line NHL forward. No doubt.
- MJL


Old post! 🤔 How did it come up here? Some kinda throwback from Bill's backread machine i guess.
Sir_Robot_Farts
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.27.2020

Oct 17 @ 2:22 PM ET
June.1 2010

Old post! 🤔 How did it come up here? Some kinda throwback from Bill's backread machine i guess.

- Landsbergfan


To be fair, he is a top line player during the regular season. His issue is only the playoffs.
hereticpride
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 17 @ 2:27 PM ET
To be fair, he is a top line player during the regular season. His issue is only the playoffs.
- Sir_Robot_Farts

Good thing we’re aren’t trying to win a cup or anything.
Doc_Sarcasm
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Should of studied Geometry
Joined: 04.28.2013

Oct 17 @ 2:35 PM ET
Good thing we’re aren’t trying to win a cup or anything.
- hereticpride


They don't have a separate Cup awarded to the team that wins the off-season? Weird.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Oct 17 @ 3:04 PM ET
Fletcher can say the same thing 100 times if he wants, but the bottom line is his actions speak volumes. Fletcher is not going to take on any contracts right now so he can maximize his Expansion draft protection strategy. What this effectively means is we will not be seeing any more FAs sign with the Flyers or trades be made, period. The Flyers as currently constituted are not good enough; they lack speed and they lack the ability to finish plays. Their PP was exposed in the playoffs. The Flyers defense in the playoffs was stellar, one of the best defensive teams in the league, but they couldn't score and they went home. Tell me how things are going to change with the pathetic offseason Fletcher has overseen? Maybe if the Flyers sign Hoffman to a short term deal they can address the PP, but the latest rumors do not have the Flyers in on Hoffman. So what's left? The same group of players we have now, plus a lot of crossed fingers that Patrick can simply hold up for a season and Lindblom can come back strong. I was super excited about the Flyers future after this season and was hopeful they could make a few moves and take that next step, but instead I believe this upcoming season will be another lost season, and we will have to continue to wait for a team that actually has a chance to win a cup.
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