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Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Nov 18 @ 2:47 PM ET
Eklund: NHLPA Holding Meeting. Rumor NHL Wants to Change CBA. Season in Balance.
j_eng
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.18.2011

Nov 18 @ 2:49 PM ET
"No need to panic."

*Puts panic inducing headline out.*
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Nov 18 @ 2:51 PM ET
Eklund: NHLPA Holding Meeting. Rumor NHL Wants to Change CBA. Season in Balance.
- Eklund


One needs to ask the question , has the NHLPA been paying attention to MLB and what happened on their end
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Nov 18 @ 3:22 PM ET
This was inevitable , imo the owners amd players earlier on had about as much of a clue to how/if or when the season / games would resume. I think both parties for the sake of not rocking the boat wanted to finish up the season.


As time went on the offseason seems a bit straining for every organization with building a competitive team and the cap is now showing to be a major issue for the league..

The 2020/2021 season will be the only hurdle with no fans , 2 vaccines have been approved and by next summer things will be different.

I'm guessing either more compliance buyouts with no penalties and maybe the owners and players come to a agreement where the owners pay the difference in their salaries after their contract is up for the 1 year .


That to me seems like a possible way to help with the salary cap and still put a team on the ice
NewfieStud
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 03.04.2013

Nov 18 @ 3:34 PM ET
Season is over....kaput!
Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Nov 18 @ 3:37 PM ET
"No need to panic."

*Puts panic inducing headline out.*

- j_eng


The season is in balance. But don't panic.

I also like that this was a major phone meeting. MAJOR. There were some minor phone meetings leading up to today, but now its MAJOR.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Nov 18 @ 4:51 PM ET
Eklund: NHLPA Holding Meeting. Rumor NHL Wants to Change CBA. Season in Balance.
- Eklund

What would Mike Hoffman do if he was here right now? I think he'd talk with a team or 2 that's what Mike Hoffman would do.

https://youtu.be/sNJmfuEWR8w
Alexzanki
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 06.03.2008

Nov 18 @ 4:55 PM ET
What would Mike Hoffman do if he was right now? I think he'd talk with a team or 2 that's what Mike Hoffman would do.

https://youtu.be/sNJmfuEWR8w

- gergeswillems

and win Stanley's Cup
Gerk
St Louis Blues
Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT
Joined: 01.07.2008

Nov 18 @ 4:57 PM ET
All comes down to the numbers.

Its going to be short season with prorated salaries or no season. Latter being most likely to happen.



Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Nov 18 @ 4:59 PM ET
"No need to panic."

*Puts panic inducing headline out.*


https://youtu.be/9Oww4Ap3YZA

It’s not directly related, but it made me think of this.

All hail Stanhope. Unfortunately he won’t get his due in comedy until after he passes, much like Bill Hicks.
MBFlyerfan
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All Lives Matter, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Nov 18 @ 5:00 PM ET
I know it sucks you may have to make 2 million instead of 3 million for the next season or two, but without fans paying the bills.....

Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: North of the 49th, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Nov 18 @ 5:16 PM ET
One needs to ask the question , has the NHLPA been paying attention to MLB and what happened on their end
- Alexzanki

Idk how the 2 compare at all.
DeuceNine
St Louis Blues
Location: STL, MO
Joined: 08.11.2006

Nov 18 @ 5:30 PM ET
Players need to understand they're effectively gig workers. If there's no fans, your take is reduced. Every contract has a certain level of assumption built into it, and one of those is that revenue is reasonably normal. Now, the smart ones that placed their bonus money outside of the salary structure probably won't be as affected (if at all) by this, although that is probably also part of this discussion today.
PghPens668771
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 11.26.2013

Nov 18 @ 5:47 PM ET
Ideally players should be paid by a percentage of the year's cap. So if the cap is currently at $80M and some player has a contract that says he gets 5% of the team's cap, his salary that year is $4M. If the cap drops to $75M his salary then drops to $3.75M. Likewise, if it goes up to $85M then his salary goes up to $4.25M.

This protects teams and the league against unforeseen events that cause sudden drops in revenue while at the same time gives players the incentive to help revenue increase. Also, I would expect the cap to ordinarily go up over time (gradually).
2.0
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Nov 18 @ 6:45 PM ET
If the NHL hopes to renege on the contract signed just a few months ago then shame on them. Everyone knew it was possible the 2020/21 season would be shortened, the players made considerable concessions to allow the 2019/20 season to finish and negotiated that the 2020/21 season would not be a pro-rated contract. It might be reasonable to ask the players to defer salary (in addition to the escrow already in play) but why let the billionaires off the hook to their commitments? None of my investments are guaranteed to make money and every contractor I hire expects to get paid for their part of the job according to terms agreed upon.

Players are still expected to stay fit, stay mentally sharp and be available throughout this, the games and travel are the minor part of the work - rather the games are just the part that is public and easy to see.

The principle is that the billionaire owners need to make good on contracts they agreed to with the millionaire players whether they are losing money or not. The players made a significant compromise once already, I won't feel sorry for the owners for the terms.
Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Nov 18 @ 7:50 PM ET
If the NHL hopes to renege on the contract signed just a few months ago then shame on them. Everyone knew it was possible the 2020/21 season would be shortened, the players made considerable concessions to allow the 2019/20 season to finish and negotiated that the 2020/21 season would not be a pro-rated contract. It might be reasonable to ask the players to defer salary (in addition to the escrow already in play) but why let the billionaires off the hook to their commitments? None of my investments are guaranteed to make money and every contractor I hire expects to get paid for their part of the job according to terms agreed upon.

Players are still expected to stay fit, stay mentally sharp and be available throughout this, the games and travel are the minor part of the work - rather the games are just the part that is public and easy to see.

The principle is that the billionaire owners need to make good on contracts they agreed to with the millionaire players whether they are losing money or not. The players made a significant compromise once already, I won't feel sorry for the owners for the terms.

- 2.0


If owning a team is no longer profitable then you can always just shut it down. Like if you open a restaurant and hire employees under a contract, would you continue operating and bleeding money until you go bankrupt? Or would you go to your staff and give two options:

1) We all reduce hours. So we all earn less.
2) We shut down and you all get $0.

If I was an owner and my options were:

1) Stay open for 48 games. No fans. But pay these clowns a full salary.
2) Shut down for the year.

Well guess what. No hockey this year unless the players pro-rate.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Nov 18 @ 7:56 PM ET
If the NHL hopes to renege on the contract signed just a few months ago then shame on them. Everyone knew it was possible the 2020/21 season would be shortened, the players made considerable concessions to allow the 2019/20 season to finish and negotiated that the 2020/21 season would not be a pro-rated contract. It might be reasonable to ask the players to defer salary (in addition to the escrow already in play) but why let the billionaires off the hook to their commitments? None of my investments are guaranteed to make money and every contractor I hire expects to get paid for their part of the job according to terms agreed upon.

Players are still expected to stay fit, stay mentally sharp and be available throughout this, the games and travel are the minor part of the work - rather the games are just the part that is public and easy to see.

The principle is that the billionaire owners need to make good on contracts they agreed to with the millionaire players whether they are losing money or not. The players made a significant compromise once already, I won't feel sorry for the owners for the terms.

- 2.0



Good lord.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Uh-huh
Joined: 06.30.2006

Nov 18 @ 7:57 PM ET
If owning a team is no longer profitable then you can always just shut it down. Like if you open a restaurant and hire employees under a contract, would you continue operating and bleeding money until you go bankrupt? Or would you go to your staff and give two options:

1) We all reduce hours. So we all earn less.
2) We shut down and you all get $0.

If I was an owner and my options were:

1) Stay open for 48 games. No fans. But pay these clowns a full salary.
2) Shut down for the year.

Well guess what. No hockey this year unless the players pro-rate.

- Kooleus


Your response was too obvious. It should not have needed to be said.
Hunkulese
Calgary Flames
Location: QC
Joined: 09.30.2006

Nov 18 @ 9:40 PM ET
If the NHL hopes to renege on the contract signed just a few months ago then shame on them. Everyone knew it was possible the 2020/21 season would be shortened, the players made considerable concessions to allow the 2019/20 season to finish and negotiated that the 2020/21 season would not be a pro-rated contract. It might be reasonable to ask the players to defer salary (in addition to the escrow already in play) but why let the billionaires off the hook to their commitments? None of my investments are guaranteed to make money and every contractor I hire expects to get paid for their part of the job according to terms agreed upon.

Players are still expected to stay fit, stay mentally sharp and be available throughout this, the games and travel are the minor part of the work - rather the games are just the part that is public and easy to see.

The principle is that the billionaire owners need to make good on contracts they agreed to with the millionaire players whether they are losing money or not. The players made a significant compromise once already, I won't feel sorry for the owners for the terms.

- 2.0


The billionaire owners aren't paying the players. The teams pay the players.

You even bring up investments so you must have a tiny bit of understanding how the real world works. The teams are investments for the owners. They buy in, hope things go well, and cash out down the road. How would you feel if your investments required you to keep funnelling your personal cash into? How long would you hang onto that investment?
i'mjustafan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 05.15.2007

Nov 18 @ 10:16 PM ET
If they want to kick the (salary) can down the road, then why dont they agree to an interest payment on it? Right now the players are getting that $ back years later at 0% interest. While i am a season tix holder and understand the strain, the reality is that these teams are owned by billionaires. Kinda hard to feel bad for them. How much was the pay in for seattle? for vegas? to buy the yotes?
Gerk
St Louis Blues
Location: say it aint so TARASENKO, YT
Joined: 01.07.2008

Nov 18 @ 10:32 PM ET
If they want to kick the (salary) can down the road, then why dont they agree to an interest payment on it? Right now the players are getting that $ back years later at 0% interest. While i am a season tix holder and understand the strain, the reality is that these teams are owned by billionaires. Kinda hard to feel bad for them. How much was the pay in for seattle? for vegas? to buy the yotes?
- i'mjustafan


League wide gate receipts in the last full season were 1.9 billion. So roughly 600+ million per team in yearly income at risk. Say we get lucky and average 50% attendance for full year. If you owned the team would you absorb 300 million in lost revenue and pay players 80 more million on top of that.

The answer is no. You cut costs for a year and look to come back when fans can be in the seats spending money.
buster29
New York Islanders
Location: London, ON
Joined: 07.03.2019

Nov 18 @ 11:56 PM ET
I'm going to miss the 20-21 season, but these are the times we live in. See you in the fall of 21, hopefully.
Kooleus
Los Angeles Kings
Location: LA (home of King Alex), CA
Joined: 11.17.2018

Nov 19 @ 12:30 AM ET
League wide gate receipts in the last full season were 1.9 billion. So roughly 600+ million per team in yearly income at risk. Say we get lucky and average 50% attendance for full year. If you owned the team would you absorb 300 million in lost revenue and pay players 80 more million on top of that.

The answer is no. You cut costs for a year and look to come back when fans can be in the seats spending money.

- Gerk


You understand the concept. But you are doing math like the Buzztron. Take away a zero.
habfanforever
Montreal Canadiens
Joined: 09.16.2005

Nov 19 @ 8:10 AM ET
If owning a team is no longer profitable then you can always just shut it down. Like if you open a restaurant and hire employees under a contract, would you continue operating and bleeding money until you go bankrupt? Or would you go to your staff and give two options:

1) We all reduce hours. So we all earn less.
2) We shut down and you all get $0.

If I was an owner and my options were:

1) Stay open for 48 games. No fans. But pay these clowns a full salary.
2) Shut down for the year.

Well guess what. No hockey this year unless the players pro-rate.

- Kooleus


You need to compare apples with apples. These are not restaurant workers that punch a clock, they are contracted professionals. A CBA, like the one they signed in July and that Bettman wants to renege on is also considered a contract. Just like my mortgage I signed. Do you think I can go tell my bank I'm not paying you because of covid this and covid that? They'll laugh in my face and say pay up or we take your house. This is not about players not wanting to do the right thing, its about the integrity of the league when they sign a CBA and the precedent this would set. What now? Every time Bettman doesn't like something he'll ask for concessions or threaten to cancel the season? There needs to be a provision if an amendment is made like the players will eventually get their compensation, if not then this CBA and all future CBAs will not be worth the paper they are written on.


TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Nov 19 @ 9:46 AM ET
I think someone should get some investors together, get 3-4 smaller market arenas fill them with cameras. Have a draft/tryouts for displaced AHL, ECHL Junior players, college players that couldn't make grades, KHL and euro guys, etc. Recruit the best of whoever shows up.

Put everyone in a bubble, form 8 or so teams, have a few warmup/qualifying games, have a sick televised beer league tournament with loose rules and lots of fights. FTW I want to watch hockey even if it sucks. The NHL did fine with this format it can be done again even if it can't be a billion dollar ordeal.
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