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ToddCordellVAN
Location: Barrie, ON
Joined: 09.04.2013

Nov 19 @ 10:50 AM ET
HockeyBuzz Hotstove: Hotstove: Which team is most playing over its head?
lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.25.2011

Nov 19 @ 11:01 AM ET
*Waits for angry posts from Chicago fans towards Tanner*
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 19 @ 11:13 AM ET
James is a genius, really. He picks the 3 teams with arguably the largest fan bases on this site and trolls them. Every time.

If you see how many posts he gets with his blogs about the Coyotes though, it makes sense. He can only generate hits by being a clown.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 19 @ 11:24 AM ET
everybody is back off the Oilers when seeing what McDavid is capable of. And with just one good solid dman that can defend.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 19 @ 11:37 AM ET
Agree 100% Cordell
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 19 @ 11:49 AM ET
Agree 100% Cordell
- systemtool

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to disagree.

Are they playing over their head? Not if you've watched them play. They play as bad as their roster is. If the question was, which team is not as good as their record indicates, then I would agree.

You see, they've been complete garbage, like you would expect from that roster. But, the thing is, their schedule has included Buffalo x 2, Vancouver x 2, Nashville x 2, Carolina, Arizona, etc, etc. In fact, their schedule has included only 5 games against playoff teams so far. 12 against non-playoff teams (the standings to this point).

The fact that they're 1 point away from being a non-playoff team, with such an easy schedule to this point, is what's amazing. When december hits, they're in for a rough ride. Things turn very nasty for them in December and January, and it's quite clear they'll be in the basement when that stint is done with them, exactly where any intelligent hockey fan expected them to be.
jackzack87
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.26.2010

Nov 19 @ 11:56 AM ET


Nailed it.

Truth is that Edm, Ottawa are due for a drop to reality. But Tanner needs the hits, so that's what he says
DutchSenators
Location: Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Joined: 06.07.2015

Nov 19 @ 12:15 PM ET
Toronto's 5v5 Corsi is almost the same as Montreal's, so Montreal will end higher in the standings than Toronto (even when Price would have an average season). Also, Toronto's 5v5 corsi is lower than last year.

I'm just trying to use Corsi here for my argumentation
James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Nov 19 @ 12:18 PM ET

Tanner needs the hits? Just for the record, by the time you've clicked the article, I've already got the hit, even before you know what I say. But guess what else? I don't even get paid for appearing on the hotstove so it would be non-senseical for me to troll the hotstove.

How about instead of calling everyone who says something you don't like a "hater" or ascribing BS motivations, you just use numbers and logic to make a counterargument?

I mean, I didn't pull those teams out of the air, they happen to be three of the top teams and there happens to be very strong indicators that they will slow down.

People need to stop calling everyone who disagrees with them a hater. It's pathetic.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 19 @ 12:25 PM ET


Nailed it.

Truth is that Edm, Ottawa are due for a drop to reality. But Tanner needs the hits, so that's what he says

- jackzack87


Edmonton will do just fine.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 12:26 PM ET
If we've learned one thing about Chicago over the years;
It's that they sure are "lucky".


And as overrated as Montreal is, they are not inferior to Toronto. Price or no price
walshyleafsfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I really don't care about Nylander, I really hope he gets injured and is out - Makita
Joined: 07.14.2011

Nov 19 @ 12:31 PM ET
Leafs. Everyone had they pegged for 29th or 30th. So far, they're blowing the projections out of the water. Still early though.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 12:35 PM ET


Nailed it.

Truth is that Edm, Ottawa are due for a drop to reality. But Tanner needs the hits, so that's what he says

- jackzack87

Edmonton is already in the middle of the drop.

They aren't a top tier team in the west. That winning streak was just a hot goalie.
They're coming back to earth now.
But They'll be in the hunt till the end I think
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 12:38 PM ET
Leafs. Everyone had they pegged for 29th or 30th. So far, they're blowing the projections out of the water. Still early though.
- walshyleafsfan


They run 3 lines that can't hurt you.
Tough to match up with right now.

James Tanner
Joined: 12.21.2013

Nov 19 @ 12:42 PM ET
If we've learned one thing about Chicago over the years;
It's that they sure are "lucky".


And as overrated as Montreal is, they are not inferior to Toronto. Price or no price

- HB77


Don't confuse past Chicago teams for this sorry iteration. Just watch what happens. Goalies aside, I think the Toronto roster is better than Montreals by 10 or 20 points. Toronto can run three lines with a two game breaking players on each. Not many teams can do that.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Nov 19 @ 12:47 PM ET
Sens really are spinning the wheels and going no where. Making trades for Brassard and Phaneuf were pointless and sets the team back. Some decent prospects but nothing really great coming up. Really a shame and a waste of Karlssons best years. They're going to be one of the conferences whipping boys much like the Leafs have been.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Nov 19 @ 12:48 PM ET
Tanner needs the hits? Just for the record, by the time you've clicked the article, I've already got the hit, even before you know what I say. But guess what else? I don't even get paid for appearing on the hotstove so it would be non-senseical for me to troll the hotstove.

How about instead of calling everyone who says something you don't like a "hater" or ascribing BS motivations, you just use numbers and logic to make a counterargument?

I mean, I didn't pull those teams out of the air, they happen to be three of the top teams and there happens to be very strong indicators that they will slow down.

People need to stop calling everyone who disagrees with them a hater. It's pathetic

- James_Tanner


Not saying you do this at all, but if someone were to troll for hits then it makes sense to spread their "brand" i.e. being a troll, far and wide to draw people back to their own blog.

So it's really not that "non-sensical". "Moronical" maybe.

Danformo
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:02 PM ET
James is a genius, really. He picks the 3 teams with arguably the largest fan bases on this site and trolls them. Every time.

If you see how many posts he gets with his blogs about the Coyotes though, it makes sense. He can only generate hits by being a clown.

- rangerdanger94


Except what he said about the Rangers holds water. He didn't say they were bad, but if you expect them to continue to score 5goals a game you're in for a surprise.
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Nov 19 @ 1:12 PM ET
Don't confuse past Chicago teams for this sorry iteration. Just watch what happens. Goalies aside, I think the Toronto roster is better than Montreals by 10 or 20 points. Toronto can run three lines with a two game breaking players on each. Not many teams can do that.
- James_Tanner


I'll bet you anything you choose Chicago makes the playoffs.
and doesn't just "squeak in" either . I think you're criminally underrating what their core can do. Which I don't understand after everything they've proven time and time again.


You've made it tough to really nail down the difference unless price does in fact go down, but I'll also bet you Toronto doesn't finish within 10 of Montreal. Behind NOT ahead.
If price goes down, I'll still bet you Toronto doesn't finish 10-20 ahead

I don't hate the leafs, totally agree on the matchup problems and the explosiveness. But they have serious holes. I just don't think they're that good of a team yet
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 19 @ 1:13 PM ET
I'll bet you anything you choose Chicago makes the playoffs.
and doesn't just "squeak in" either


You've made it tough to really nail down the difference unless price does in fact go down, but I'll also bet you Toronto doesn't finish within 10 of Montreal. Behind NOT ahead.
If price goes down, I'll still bet you Toronto doesn't finish 10-20 ahead

- HB77



I'd agree. Their D is better. Their Goaltending is miles better. Their forwards aren't really much better, but they're more experienced.

the Habs will comfortably make the playoffs. The Leafs may scrape in, and grab a wildcard spot, but I woulnd't even count on that.
ShayneCorsi
Location: Teedot
Joined: 07.09.2012

Nov 19 @ 1:35 PM ET
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 19 @ 1:38 PM ET
Tanner needs the hits? Just for the record, by the time you've clicked the article, I've already got the hit, even before you know what I say. But guess what else? I don't even get paid for appearing on the hotstove so it would be non-senseical for me to troll the hotstove.

How about instead of calling everyone who says something you don't like a "hater" or ascribing BS motivations, you just use numbers and logic to make a counterargument?

I mean, I didn't pull those teams out of the air, they happen to be three of the top teams and there happens to be very strong indicators that they will slow down.

People need to stop calling everyone who disagrees with them a hater. It's pathetic.

- James_Tanner

You say you want people to use numbers and logic to make counter arguments, but when TheMaritime did so with extensive posts, you refused to respond to them. Because he destroyed you and every one of your theories. Nobody should waste their time putting together a meaningful counter argument to the BS you spew after that embarrassing incident.
KreiderBomb
New York Rangers
Location: "I'm outta here. Childish,fraud fans. Good luck not having any youth coming up for like 10 years, yo
Joined: 06.02.2014

Nov 19 @ 2:36 PM ET
Tanner needs the hits? Just for the record, by the time you've clicked the article, I've already got the hit, even before you know what I say. But guess what else? I don't even get paid for appearing on the hotstove so it would be non-senseical for me to troll the hotstove.

How about instead of calling everyone who says something you don't like a "hater" or ascribing BS motivations, you just use numbers and logic to make a counterargument?

I mean, I didn't pull those teams out of the air, they happen to be three of the top teams and there happens to be very strong indicators that they will slow down.

People need to stop calling everyone who disagrees with them a hater. It's pathetic.

- James_Tanner

You're not a hater you're just a terrible blogger
KreiderBomb
New York Rangers
Location: "I'm outta here. Childish,fraud fans. Good luck not having any youth coming up for like 10 years, yo
Joined: 06.02.2014

Nov 19 @ 2:37 PM ET
Except what he said about the Rangers holds water. He didn't say they were bad, but if you expect them to continue to score 5goals a game you're in for a surprise.
- Danformo

That would be scary if they were giving up 4 a game and aside from last night and the .01 empty netter they're not.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Nov 19 @ 2:38 PM ET
If you mention TheMaritime incident, James disappears
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